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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 16 Apr 2014 23:58 #44627

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I too use AVID as much as any other NLE and as for updates.... Well AVID is always on a knife's edge of stability and most production houses that run AVIDs do so because there are a lot of edit suites to manage.
So it's very rare to find anyone running the latest software.

I'm writing this from a system running MC 6.5. (and hating every second of it apart from trimming)
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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 00:11 #44628

I love Avid's trimming! There are other things I like about it too, but I feel that that is most out of nostalgia or habit. I still kind of like the interface (also nostalgia), and keyboard layout. It's still a beautiful piece of software for me, in the same way in which Ford Model T is still a beautiful car.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 00:18 #44629

Avid is definitely a great editor, I mean if it weren't for them digital editing probably wouldn't be at all like it is today!

Someday I think I would like to upgrade to Avid or even Autodesk Smoke, but for now FCP X is the exact and perfect fit, and I can't get enough of it. :D

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 00:37 #44631

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I would love some of those emitters and what not from Motion to appear directly in the FCPX toolset.

Creative NLE FTW :cheer:

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 00:40 #44632

Avid is definitely a great editor, I mean if it weren't for them digital editing probably wouldn't be at all like it is today!

Someday I think I would like to upgrade to Avid or even Autodesk Smoke, but for now FCP X is the exact and perfect fit, and I can't get enough of it. :D

Download the trial version of Media Composer from Avid's site, find a project and try to edit it on both Avid and FCPX, then see if you still think Avid is an upgrade over FCP. I'm not subjective, I'm an Avid Certified Professional so as long as Avid's around I don't have to worry about my job, I just think that at this point FCPX is the only actual upgrade of the editing paradigm there is.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 02:08 #44633

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"I just think that at this point FCPX is the only actual upgrade of the editing paradigm there is."

Oh, no... Resolve 11 is the second coming, at least according to everyone on the creative cow forums. Even Philip Hodgetts is swooning over it. It's like FCP X, but with tracks! :-/ Of course, the lack of fixed tracks is among the best parts of X but, you know... whatever... ;-)
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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 18:17 #44662

I'm excited about the new Resolve too, but as a finishing tool.
Premiere, for example has only just caught up with FCP7, but as far as editing goes it's still very much ahead of Resolve. Plus, in my experience Resolve is very taxing on the system.
To be honest Blackmagic themselves call it an online editor and a finishing tool and suggest using professional systems like FCPX for the editing process itself.

Just to be clear on one point, someone said here that Resolve will offer an FCPX like editing experience on Windows. It won't. It may offer a similar looking interface, but far from a similar editing experience. It will offer a Premiere like editing experience, with an FCPX like interface.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 19:22 #44666

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"I'm excited about the new Resolve too, but as a finishing tool."

As am I. Honestly, I'm looking forward to the ALE output etc. Anything that'll help FCP X "talk" to other systems.

"To be honest Blackmagic themselves call it an online editor and a finishing tool and suggest using professional systems like FCPX for the editing process itself."

Yep. But the tea leaf readers believe that their ultimate goal is to make it useable end to end, which it may well be. I think it's probably more of a "threat" to Pr, MC etc, but who knows. interesting times for sure... :-)
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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 19:38 #44668

The advantage Resolve has is that it's under no obligation to be a great editor right now. As long as it continues to be an industry leading Grading tool- it's existing user base is secure.

But if BlackMagic continues to invest in the NLE aspects of it, it can grow a base of users without having to bet the company on a standalone product.

Did Smoke talk much this year about improvements to editing? I don't remember much being announced.

Apple has deeper pockets by several orders of magnitude than any of these other companies. It's all about whether they have the people and the will to develop the product fast enough. I think PR still has a lot to do with it as well, but NAB aside, Apple has been much better getting out there in front of people in the last year than they have previously.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 17 Apr 2014 21:08 #44675

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Apple has deeper pockets by several orders of magnitude than any of these other companies. It's all about whether they have the people and the will to develop the product fast enough. I think PR still has a lot to do with it as well, but NAB aside, Apple has been much better getting out there in front of people in the last year than they have previously.

This is the conversation age. Not sure Apple is equipped enough for it. Another question is which product leads to more Mac sales: iMovie or FCPX?

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 02:17 #44677

First off I am not a professional.

Because of FCPX I have bought 3 mac's over the last 2 years.

It started with a Mac Mini and a free 30 day trial of FCPX. Then it was a 2012 13 inch MBP. Ending with a Late 2013 27 inch iMac.

This was just the tip of the Iceberg. The trickle down effect was Canon got a bunch of money from me, GoPro got some money and OWC got a lot of money from me. I cannot be the only one that went with apple and left Windows behind. I would not have made the switch to apple and bought all the cameras and HDD for iMovie. FCPX was the deciding factor for me.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 02:52 #44678

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This is the conversation age. Not sure Apple is equipped enough for it.
Conversation or aggressive Marketing? I prefer the inobtrusive way Apple markets FCP. The other A bombards me with emails on a nigh daily base to tell me that they don't have anything real to communicate ATM.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 04:23 #44679

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Conversation or aggressive Marketing? I prefer the inobtrusive way Apple markets FCP. The other A bombards me with emails on a nigh daily base to tell me that they don't have anything real to communicate ATM.

A conversation is by definition two-way at minimum. So I'm not referring to email blasts here.

Apple could do much better in this regard. I think they are starting to thaw a little though... We've seen some baby steps from the execs on Twitter. :cheer:

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 04:35 #44680

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The FCPX development team is very much in a two way conversation with end users. They've reached out to and worked with many pro users. They just don't flaunt it in marketing blitzes. From the information I personally have, I feel they're doing this more than any other NLE dev team. But, they also are following a development plan and design scheme that others are not able to do.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 10:12 #44685

Look at Apples stance FCP X is design to sale the new Mac Pro's.
If Apple wanted to make FCP X a NLE that stands out and take over the high end market (not saying they can't have there spot) we would seeing a much different evolution.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 11:59 #44688

The "high-end" market is so incredibly small and so filled with self-indulgent whiners that I don't blame Apple for not being even remotely interested in this :P

All jokes aside, I agree with Ben that the FCP X team is absolutely fabulous in responding to feedback from their user-base. And I prefer a company that silently makes its products better than a company that is shouting all the time but cannot deliver in the end.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 23:24 #44741

So I actually had the pleasure recently of having a conference call with Steve Bayes and some FCPX engineers from Apple. They saw a video I did for my company and wanted to get in contact with me. They were interested in talking to me about the color board. I think some changes may be coming. They wanted my input and I suggested things like curves, more mask points, importing LUT's etc. After that conference call about a week later I got another phone call from one of the engineers asking me questions like "If the color board went away what features would you want to keep" and "What do you like the color board over color wheels." It sounded to me they might be considering color wheels. I found it interesting.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 18 Apr 2014 23:51 #44742

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

If they're having these discussions now- chances are these are changes we won't see until an update later this year at the earliest.

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 19 Apr 2014 00:15 #44744

My biggest issue with the colour board is that you have to keep jumping between the colour/exposure/saturation windows. I'm hoping they'll release an iPad app that works as a control interface. Just like the control app for Logic Pro X. Imagine being able to control all colour parameters from one great interface on the iPad without having to have the window open on the main screen... Sweet!

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FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 19 Apr 2014 03:04 #44748

My biggest issue with the colour board is that you have to keep jumping between the colour/exposure/saturation windows. I'm hoping they'll release an iPad app that works as a control interface. Just like the control app for Logic Pro X. Imagine being able to control all colour parameters from one great interface on the iPad without having to have the window open on the main screen... Sweet!

Oh my gosh, that's a brilliant idea. Instead of selling a giant color console that takes up a huge amount of desk space, design an app for the 10" iPad that would do the same thing...

That would then make me buy an iPad! :lol:

Oh, and yes, I also hate having to jump between exposure/color/saturation control windows. Just seems counterintuitive. Although, given the overall design of FCPX, I don't really see how they could've made that much better to begin with. Maybe that's why they're talking about changes to the color board! ;)

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