FCPX 10.1.2 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION

After the 10.1 which introduce major internal FCPX workflow change (and plenty residual bugs), new MacPro w/DXXX fine OpenCL tuning, bunch of new TB2 material to support and TB2 network API, 4K display + HiDpi to add for OSX - IMO with that tons of work on table they cannot plan any minor update synced with any sort event.

Minor update for a major production software : last year FCPX was not in "smell of sanctity" (as we said in french) in post-production world, as many people due the lack of MacPro visibility promise us clouds of grasshoppers for FCP users and raining frogs for Apple hardware owner.

All that changed in six month and Apple is tickling the industry again, so they do not need a mandatory visibility in NAB. And Apple presence is very rare in mainstream/prosumer/pro gigs, mostly that's company who work with their solution who do the job with their collaboration.

But 4 month as passed since the 10.1.1, so maybe soon...

fcpguru wrote: But in an interesting fact, during Adobe's presentation they mentioned that they had 1.8 million cloud members, while Apple said there were 7 million installs of FCPX. Interesting... no?

You're numbers aren't quite right.

Apple announced over 1 million FCPX installs. Installs means seperate AppleIDs, not multiple installs using the same ID.

In 2011 Apple announced it had sold over 2 million copies of Legacy FCP (1-7).

In March, Adobe announced a total of 1.8 million CC subscribers. How many of those people are using Pr is unknown. At least half of them probably aren't even in Video Production, but in web, illustration, print, photography, or audio.

On the FCPX side, it's of course impossible to say how many of those over 1 million installs are being actively used.

So there's some grey area in both numbers.

While I'm not surprised that we haven't heard anything from Apple (though disappointed) I am surprised that there has been very little of anything to with FCP X.

No new plugins, no software solutions. Not even many discounts on existing wares.

Why? Is there something big about to happen? Is there a tide of stuff just waiting for Apple to push the go button?
God I hope so.

On a side note I started a big project this week all on AVID. Argh. What a joke. People who argue that it is more "professional" need to get their heads read. :silly:

I agree that something big is about to happen. But I don't think we will see it in the next update of FCP X, nor in the next few months for that matter. First they need to develop a very solid foundation, then they can add the bells and whistles. And I'm confident they have plenty of bells and whistles on the drawing boards

- Ronny

That's interesting commentary Ronny. I had some legitimate cause to be surprised we didn't see an update this week. Even on the PR side, Apple had a VERY short list of things to discuss with the press people they talked with. No new "In Action" stories either, which they updated just before NAB last year.

The future is always exciting, and no less mysterious, with Apple.

Hi Marcus,

The future is always exciting, and no less mysterious, with Apple.

I couldn't have said it any better

-Ronny

Larry Jordan posted that Apple said "over one million", not seven.

Back in the FCP 7 days, Apple used an independent market study that focused on "professional" post houses and facilities. Today, they're all clamoring for every part of the industry, hobbyists to feature film.

This is important to remember, because when I started editing (with 8mm film and tape when I was 15), feature films and network television were 100% of the industry (sales market). Today, those two make up only a tiny drop in the bucket of the total industry. So NLEs need to be geared towards the majority of the market, which are NOT feature films.

Technology is just so cheap and easy, whoever makes it the most accessible to everyone will be on top. So ever time I hear "no films have been cut on it", I think "who gives a crap?" 99% of the professional post-production folks I've ever worked with never tough a feature film or reality TV series.

Yeah, forget the marketing numbers. FCPX selling hundreds of thousands more copies than FCP 7, and FCP 7 was the top seller in the "pro" market, well, the market is drastically changed since Apple first published those FCP 7 numbers. It is also a drastically larger market.

Video is the new literacy...

Each NLE will find its niche, none will be a single dominant player, those "king of the hill" days are long gone. I just don't discuss it any more.

Man, I thought for sure we'd get an update this week...

iMovie 10.0.3 just released with what looks like some new features.
So I guess the Ubilos team has been tied up.

cseeman wrote: iMovie 10.0.3 just released with what looks like some new features.

If you recall, iMovie 10 IS FCP 10.1 but with limited feature set.

New features (they seem to be minor improvements) for iMovie are:

Change the font, size, and color of new to titles introduced in iMove version 10
Double-click a transition in the timeline to adjust its duration
Crop and rotate clips in the events
Add speed effects using the Adjustment Bar
Option to smoothly transition in and out of speed effects

cseeman wrote: iMovie 10.0.3 just released with what looks like some new features.
So I guess the Ubilos team has been tied up.

Now that's just cruel...!

Depending on how the two are interrelated, I wonder if this new version of iMovie would have a as-yet unreleased version of FCPX. Call Alex4D, quick!

The two "clues" for me are:
• Doing work in the Events area
• UI tweaks so it seems

Tuesday or "The refresh app store every few seconds" day, is at our doorstep again. Warm up the fingers, and use a mouse, it's more comfortable!

Now that we're past NAB without an update, it's a giant chasm of the unknown.

We could see an update tomorrow, or maybe not for another couple months--

Tomorrow will be 89 days since 10.1.1.

In the first year of X, from 10.0.1 to 10.0.5, the average interval was just over 70 days

Since 10.0.6 the interval times got noticeably longer. Largely over 110 days.

With Apple making statements that they plan to release updates every 3-4 months, we could see updates a bit more like the first year.

Since I'm starting my big TV series this week, I'd love to see an update in the next week or two, when I could still install it without too much trepidation. But if it doesn't come out for another month, I'll probably have to hold off on updating all Summer.

Speculation time...
Apple saw Resolve 11 and they decided to what while they can pile on some more features and improvements like real two viewers and the ability to use multiple scopes, audio mixing and major improvements to the "color board"
Apple panicked because Resolve 11 is FCPX like with tracks and will also run on Windows so they really have to make sure people don't "escape" to Resolve.

Yes I know FCPX still has advantages but...

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Big fan of FCPX ... and Resolve 11 is great insurance for that somewhat probable day when Apple decides to blindside us (again) :woohoo:

Lets not forget that people were saying the same amazing things about Smoke's editor 2 years ago, how it was going to change everything.

Until it gets into peoples hands this Fall(?) we won't know how good a straight editor this will be. Even those optimistic about it agree it still has a ways to go before being a competitive full-fledged NLE. That said, I see no reason to believe BlackMagic won't continue to chip away at features like Premier has over the past 4 years, and continually narrowing the gap between it and the others. Most interesting is that the Lite version will continue to be free, potentially providing a really attractive "no cost" option for beginning editors.

merc wrote: Big fan of FCPX ... and Resolve 11 is great insurance for that somewhat probable day when Apple decides to blindside us (again) :woohoo:

Forgive me if you are kidding, I'm just confused as to how Apple blindsided any of us?

Final Cut Pro didn't change for twelve years and FCP 7 still runs on every current OS and mac for nearly three years after becoming EOL. Not to mention it's the first version that can run on the same install of OS X.

I wouldn't be surprised if the similarities between Resolve 11 and FCP X are intentional.

Resolve is no FCPX. Its a great app, but it isn't revolutionary like FCPX. If I sit down my 8 year old in front of Resolve he would be clueless. On the other hand, that same 8 year can get something accomplished in FCPX.

The thing that makes FCPX revolutionary is not what it looks like or the names of some of the elements, but the fact that it did away with the typical constraints of video editing, tracks, patching, codec and frame rate concerns, etc and instead created a simple yet powerful way for a story to be crafted visually.

Resolve will be an excellent color and edit system and it may look like FCPX, but it is not. We should cheer it on as it is adopting many of the FCPX conventions which only validate that the Apple designers really are chaining everything in post.

(BTW. I'm not suggesting that the test of an edit system is my 8 year old, rather that Apple took something that is typically very complicated and made it brilliantly simple.)