FCPX on iPad Pro

Anyone thing the next release of FCPX will have a version that runs on the new iPad Pro?

Don't think this will happen.
You can use iMovie and then import.
iPad is still iOS not OSX
Just my 2 cents of opinion

Hope this helps, Greg

iPad Pro is still not powerful enough to do multiple streams of 4K editing, with titles, compositing, effects, etc. It'll still be quite a while before a tablet is that powerful. The day WILL come, but not any time too soon. I think this is the start of the death off laptops. Tablets and laptop technology will come so close together, they'll implode on each other, and we'll do serious work on very thin mobile computing devices. But the speed of technological growth is not THAT fast.

damiangrady wrote: Anyone thing the next release of FCPX will have a version that runs on the new iPad Pro?

There is a profound issue in UI design and API sophistication which impedes this. Microsoft faces the same situation with Win32 desktop apps and moving those to the Metro/Modern UI.

A complex desktop app (whether OS X or Windows) may have hundreds of total menu choices, dialog boxes, etc. Under the surface there is an equally sophisticated API which supports the memory and object management, synchronization, threading, event and exception handling, error logging, etc.

In short it is impossible to port a high-end desktop app like Excel, Photoshop, Premiere Pro or FCP X to current iOS or the Windows Metro/Modern UI. From a UI standpoint alone there is just no conceptual place to put all the elements, and the underlying API does not provide the needed support, plus the event handling has to be redesigned from keyboard/mouse to touch.

This is why developers can port, say, Premiere Pro between OS X and Windows. The UI paradigm, interface constructs and underlying APIs are sufficiently robust in scope and similar in nature that it's possible. But such apps cannot be ported to current mobile device OSs and retain their familiar feature set.

You could totally re-imagine the app from scratch and design a completely new app with less capability and a simpler interface that is targeted for the mobile device OS. However that would then not run on the desktop OS, would not have the capability and richness of the desktop app and wouldn't be a good UI fit even if it did run. If it was called "FCP X for iOS", that would be in name only and it would bear little resemblance to the desktop version.

Certainly if anyone has the motivation to provide a full-featured version of a high-end desktop app on a touch-oriented mobile device OS it's Microsoft. They have yet to demonstrate this for their own apps, and I've seen no published roadmap for achieving that. This is despite them making OS, apps and even hardware in some cases.

However mobile hardware and system software are getting steadily more capable so maybe developers will figure out some way to achieve this, but there's no easy or obvious method.

At this point the storage capacity issues and zero expansion ports limits how much data the IPP can hold, as to how long each 4K clip of the 3 streams of 4K was on the ipad pro at the launch, anyone's guess...

I am confused as to the 3 letters following iPad, the P, the R, and the O!! PRO...in what way is this a pro and I assume fessional is the suffix, device?

iOS is a tablet operating system, Joema is right, it is trying to get complex apps such as pages, photo, numbers to work with somewhat success, but not to the same degree as you have on a desktop/laptop system, imac through macbook through to mac pro towers.

This does make me wonder if very soon, as wireless charging, and wireless ultra-fast internet access becomes the norm, Apple will force users to start using cloud based storage, if the wi-fi is fast enough, then you can edit, on a very limited capacity device using extremely well rendered proxy file clips on the ipad pro...

That is just my take on the future of editing...

A NLE beyond iMovies skills on a tap-lett is probably nonsense (I can't memorize all keyboard-combos - imagine that with gestures!), but an intrgration into a collaborative workflow .... existing tools like Lumberjack or - why is nobody talking about that, too cheap to be true??: Apogees MetaRecorder demo it: ... several 'stations' simultanousely working on a project.

An iPad just as a remote control/'client' for FCPX would be … just funny.

But an iPad as a 'coprocessor' for some depts. … Edit Assistance' Workhorse, .... sortof ...

… just remember, when 30-40y (?) ago the first monitors appear on sets, and 'everybody' could see, what before was an exclusive for Director and DoP; now, imagine a network, and the several guilds (audio, f/x, CC, 3D ...) not only access pic and 'other' data, but can participate, uilizing their planks ...

When Apple was promoting Final Cut Studio 2, on the apple website, there was a video showing how the BBC used Final Cut Pro as part of the workflow, and one of the characters interviewed was a video editor working on a drama show, sitting at the train station, working on his macbook pro, editing a rough copy of the drama show, so that the director had an idea if all shots were making sense..

The point it was not the final edit, but a rough cut, of dailies so that everyone was aware of missing shots, or shots that needed re-shooting. As the speed of wifi improves, along with the processors of tablets, then proxy editing is a possibility.

You do not need the power of a top of the line mac pro on the tablet, if the ipad pro can handle 4K, how much data it stores in 4K, I have no idea, for the life of me I cannot see the point to editing 4k on a tablet, insane really...

But on site rough editing, then exporting the xml into a macbook pro, for example editing whilst travelling between locations for tv news crews, "film" crews, makes sense as space on planes shrink, you need to use that time and space wisely...

If the next iteration of ipad comes with lightning extension solid state drives, why not...

You can easily do "rough cuts" in iMovie, and move that over to FCPX easily, TODAY. I've done this on a few jobs with my 2nd Gen iPad already. Full feature editing is off in the future for awhile.

The "rough cuts" for iMovie workflow could work especially well for the newer cameras that shoot an .mp4 proxy to a second SD card. Import proxy to iPad or even a newer iPhone, do a rough cut on location, import project to FCPX to finish and relink high quality/graded files, then export.

Consider that the iPad Pro only has 4 GB RAM, that's not enough for full blown "real" editing. But I predict in 5 years we may be there. When my iPad 2nd Gen came out, I predicted it would be less than 10 years before we purchased devices that shot UHD video, organized it, edited it, and delivered it all in some manner.

Touch operation is very bad

Personally, I think Apple made a huge error in labeling their newest tablet with the term 'Pro' ... Simply building a larger device, does't necessarily equate with achieving professional status. I offer this as someone who currently owns five iPads ... going back to the original iPad.

Not that I am condemning the product, but the underlying capabilities ... except for the improvements in fine details using the Pencil ... this larger version of the iPad doesn't really offer any vast improvement on function as long as it must still run iOs. There is not one traditional full version 'Pro' application, from any vendor, that can run on iOs. I think it is wishful thinking to get even a pared down version of FCP X on this new device that in the end, would likely be on par with the current version of iMovie for iOs

In my mind, a truly professional tablet would have to run at least some variation of OS X. I agree whole heartedly that much more needs to be developed to bring desktop OS offerings into line for a true touch environment ... but it shouldn't take all that much longer to get there. The hardware advancements over the past five years have been quite amazing.

That said ... I wouldn't necessarily desire FCP X on a tablet quite yet. What would be welcome is if we could import custom Motion titles, lower thirds and transitions into iMovie for both OS X and iOS ... generators may a bit much to ask for ... :whistle:

It only made sense to name the iPad; iPad pro.

2 examples
Macbook to Macbook Pro
iMac to Mac Pro

That is Apple's scheme of naming things.

What makes this more professional than a regular iPad?

The Pencil is the single most important thing that separates from the regular iPad. They have added extra sensors to the screen in order for the pencil to work more seamlessly. As well as gotten the latency down to Wacom levels if not better.
This pencil will help with so many professions out there that they will be using it for work on a regular basis. I only hope the app developers can make good enough apps for that to be the case.

I also think for music this will become a pro tool for a lot of electronic artists as well as studio producers. It hasn't showcased it self yet, but I think in a year a lot will come forth in that aspect.

This is pro in the sense that anyone who uses office or iWork in their every day functions will be using this over their laptop or desktop...mainly cause of the pencil functions and the new keyboard.

Apple caters mainly to artists. They have given FCPX to its video editors, Logic Pro X to its musicians, and now iPad pro to the drawers, sketch artists, painters, and anyone else using a brush or pencil.

The Macbook Pro is not a professional device, it is a rank ordinary laptop that has a fancy pants name, professionals use tools that do not need to be returned to the manufacturer every time something goes wrong, the previous versions of the macbook pro, could be fixed in the field, go to a pc store, buy new ram, order a new screen, a new hard drive, a simple set of tools is what you needed, I changed my hard drives, replaced fans, RAM, did all my own repairs and I am NOT a technical person..

With my late 2013 13inch retina hunk of junk, I am stuck with 8GB RAM, 256 SSD, and 1 pound of Jony's drugs of choice, solder and glue...

The new ipad pro yes is better, it has a stylus, an official Apple designed stylus, no expansion ports, no short cut keys, it is NOT a Wacom Cintiq, if Apple was serious about industrial design, professional design, then the Ipad Pro would have the same set of keys as the Cintiq, with it's set of short cut keys. Without expansion ports, without short cut keys,the ipad pro it is nothing more than a large tablet...

Sorry if my words upset you...I see design as a way to make things better, and Apple is not doing this very well...

I've personally cut multiple 24 and 48 minute episodes of drama and reality on my MBP, along with a number of ads, corporates and the like. I've also done a heap of AE work on it. My partner, who is a graphic designer, spends her life on her MBP doing professional illustration and design work. I can't say that I agree that just because it can't be upgraded or repaired by the user in their garage means that it isn't a "professional" piece of gear. Would you try fix your Ferrari in your garage? Nope, but you would try fix your old Mazda... Not to mention that I'm running a 2012 MBP (8gb ram, 512ssd) and it's still performing great. If making it better equates to the user being able to fix something that breaks, well, touch wood, I've never had the need to put in a new screen, replace the hdd etc. Considering it's never required me to open it up and pull it apart, I'm quite okay with not being able to. After 3.5 years of uninterrupted service, if it does need to go in to Apple for something, I'm okay with that. After all, I'm an editor, not a hardware technician. If you want that level of control there's a million brands of PC out there just waiting to break and get fixed.

Getting back to the topic though, I can't say I'm very interested (currently) in cutting on an iPad. I like the comfort that comes with an edit suite, and the idea of being a. hunched over a screen sliding my finger around, or b. waving my arms around Minority Report style just seems like too much effort. I do agree that it will/does make a great tool for the gap between set and post.

daletv wrote: //full quote//

great story, thanks for sharing!

As mentioned before, these 'pro vs not pro' debates are really entertaining.
To pour some oil into the fire:
What about users or companies using google.docs?

Does have - by far! - not the complexity nor the feature list of all' mighty MS Office/Word, but some people run their business with that.... pro or not?

The naming scheme for hardware is 90% marketing (been there, done that ...); in my humble understanding of sales force, it would be counterproductive to call the entrance level of Macs "amateur" ... :lol:

The best named Apple product..Macbook Air...we all need air...

The Macbook Pro is 100% a professional device quite simply because it has enabled me to produce TV ads, corporates, promo films etc to a very high standard and generate income for our business as a result.

The iPad Pro is also a PRO device as it is more powerful than 80%-90% of laptops available right now.

mihimarugt520 wrote: Touch operation is very bad

Well for certain things it can be very good.
I would love to see a remote app for example (like the one for LPX) where, for example, you could do multicam editing by just touching the angle you want to switch to. That would be brilliant.

MsJustine wrote: The Macbook Pro is not a professional device, it is a rank ordinary laptop that has a fancy pants name, professionals use tools that do not need to be returned to the manufacturer every time something goes wrong, the previous versions of the macbook pro, could be fixed in the field, go to a pc store, buy new ram, order a new screen, a new hard drive, a simple set of tools is what you needed, I changed my hard drives, replaced fans, RAM, did all my own repairs and I am NOT a technical person..

With my late 2013 13inch retina hunk of junk, I am stuck with 8GB RAM, 256 SSD, and 1 pound of Jony's drugs of choice, solder and glue...

The new ipad pro yes is better, it has a stylus, an official Apple designed stylus, no expansion ports, no short cut keys, it is NOT a Wacom Cintiq, if Apple was serious about industrial design, professional design, then the Ipad Pro would have the same set of keys as the Cintiq, with it's set of short cut keys. Without expansion ports, without short cut keys,the ipad pro it is nothing more than a large tablet...

Oh come on. You're on a video editing forum that is exclusive to Apple computers; so there is a very good chance that a huge percentage of us here are using MacBook Pros. I use my Macbook for professional jobs all the time. So do a good number of the people I know in the business.

But bear in mind that the Pro moniker does not just mean for video editing exclusively. There are a vast number of people that use MacBooks professionally in other industries, such as photographers and graphic designers. I am pretty sure that the iPad pro will appeal to those guys in a professional capacity.