10.2.2 Prerelease discussion

Ronny

Maybe if it was a behavior you could turn off and on? Although, I am always skeptical when it comes to adding more buttons or menu options. One of my favorite things about FCPX is the lack of clutter.

I see what you mean about tracks, but I think it seems like a good compromise between tracks and the magnetic timeline for audio handling.

It would be cool if you can set an Audio Roles Stacking order in the preferences pane similar to Destinations.

Daniel,

Just like you I'm not a huge fan of adding more buttons just because everyone wants to have more options that probably only 5% of the total user base ever need. We have had this with FCP7 and now with Premiere, don't want this to happen with FCP X. IMO having audio Roles being displayed as separate lanes for easier visual representation is not such a bad idea, but it's not really a necessity. If implemented correctly, Roles can and should become a very powerful tool.

- Ronny

( I'm about to Ramble )

Yeah, maybe they don't have to gravitate towards each other, but Colour coding is a must! I do like the idea of them being weighted, where certain roles will sink below, and others will float near the top.

And I do like the idea of having audio "nested" but not permanently so, somewhere between a compound clip and a secondary storyline. Sort of like a track stack, but not quite. It's almost like a little "passing lane", where you can apply audio effects to the whole, but not have a comp appear in your browser, also, some how they are still "connected clips".

Are these just more powerful secondary story lines? Would this be similar to a parallel Node? or a Layer Node?

I'm just free balling, so these are all kind of half thoughts.

I'd be thrilled if the Role pane in the inspector had a kind of assignable Z-Order (Y-order?) value that could be enabled for connected clips, or just when cutting in connected clips in general. Sometimes I'd like say, audio clips I cut in to appear closer to the timeline. Generally video behaves as you'd expect, connected clips always appear above other connected clips. But in general, I have many more layers of audio, and there's usually an unbroken music clip/comp/secondary at the bottom. Thus, any audio clips I connect appear below it, which is not good if my lanes extend offscreen as I must scroll down, and drag the clip up towards the Primary.

At one point they changed the behavior but it was global, audio worked great, but video was then opposite of what you'd want. In a perfect world, new connected audio would appear next to the primary, pushing other clips down, and connected video clips would stack as they do now...

EDIT: Actually, from a UI perspective, the easiest thing would be to be able drag the Role panes in the index (like inspector effects ordering) to determine their relative position. This would only affect connected clips. As usual, the difficulty arises with multichannel clips. If you have an audio clips containing both Dialogue and Effects, where does it go? Maybe everything that isn't a single Role goes directly adjacent to the Primary. But what happens if you put audio above the primary? Or video below? It ain't easy to figure out how the logic would work. So, uh.. color coding? But what about the aforementioned multi-role audio clips? do they appear with rainbow stripes?

It ain't a simple proposition no matter what...

In no particular order of any meaning, but realistically, I'd hope for the following.

1. Stability, stability, stability, stability, and stability.
2. REAL, HONEST, INTELLIGENT collaborative/group workflow.
3. Help us make our products adhere to the law with full support for closed-caption and CALM Act implementation.
4. Audio mixer.
5. A roundtrip workflow with LPX that actually works.
6. A roundtrip workflow with Motion.
7. Access to all Inspector functions when working in the Browser.
8. Color wheels and curves (the color board still doesn't tell me what "negative blue" really is).
9. Accept voice commands via Siri.
10. Mix drinks.
11. Wash my car.
12. Fuss at my kids.

haha! good points! I am not opposed to multi colored clips! I imagine more of a gradient style multicolor.

I really like the idea of just changing the order of the roles in the timeline index.

I'd also like it if for video, when placed below the primary story line, could be disabled, in the same way you can disable audio components.

+1 Roundtrip to Motion

My only feature request is to tweak it to make sure it runs on El Capitan when it's released.
History has proven that the vast majority of other FR's are wasted energy

No problems with past couple of 10.11 beta releases. Launches hella faster.

What is an FR's?

Feature Requests.

- Ronny

*Damn* I thought it was Furry Robot...

Would like to see assignable monitor defaults for the "2nd" monitor option. At this point, FCPX chooses which monitor it considers your second monitor (if you have more than 2). There is no way that I'm aware of to change that. I'm running two monitors using powered thunderbolt to DVI connections from my trashcan mac and FCPX always wants to use my viewing monitor (HDMI out) as the 2nd monitor. Regardless of how my monitors are arranged, FCPX won't allow me to move the browser to my preferred location...

If I'm missing something, and there's a workaround, at this point I'm not aware of it.

check your system display prefs, that may be the place to start, I know you can assign monitors there, though I'm not sure what happens when you have 3 or 4. also, what thunderbolt bus they are tied to may effect their order as well, so you can check that too.

I've tried everything... HDMI vs TB to HDMI Dongles, etc.. I also have an AJA Kona3G card which is my default video output for playback. Otherwise, FCPX makes its own determination as to which monitor it wants to use for a "2nd" monitor. You can't drag the browser window to another display, when the menu item is set for "Browser display on 2nd monitor". A real pita if you're running more than 2 monitors.

Sefanzed wrote: I've tried everything... HDMI vs TB to HDMI Dongles, etc.. I also have an AJA Kona3G card which is my default video output for playback. Otherwise, FCPX makes its own determination as to which monitor it wants to use for a "2nd" monitor. You can't drag the browser window to another display, when the menu item is set for "Browser display on 2nd monitor". A real pita if you're running more than 2 monitors.

How is your Mission Control setup? Have you tried unticking "Displays have separate Spaces"?

support.apple.com/kb/PH18809?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US

Yes I have played with the separate spaces setting. The problem is FCPX has its own video 'ecosystem' and the monitor arrangement that you select in the displays control panel (or, any other control panel setting) doesn't apply.