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How big are your biggest event/project file?

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19 Jun 2013 21:31 - 20 Jun 2013 21:09 #27471 by mester
wonder how big FCPX event or project file can/should be?
its a database file and should grow bigger the more info it must carry
my own biggest event filer is 73mb, and biggest project-file is 32mb, but I have client files on 320mb project file, and 270mb event file, both are damaged and almost impossible to work in
so how big are your biggest files, and what do you do to bring the size down? I have used Pro Versioner who did a ok job, but did not solve the issue
thanks
Last edit: 20 Jun 2013 21:09 by peteramwiggins. Reason: Taken out swearword

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20 Jun 2013 07:54 #27487 by mester
presume that some of you remember FCP7 and big project files, if they became to big they could slow down everything, im looking for the same issue in FCPX, so I hope someone going to share their file size with me ;)

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20 Jun 2013 09:07 #27489 by Seanus
Biggest Event File 70MB
Biggest Project File 41MB

Remember though that FCP X is a 64 bit program so it's never going to come up against the same memory limitation that FCP 7 will.

Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011

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20 Jun 2013 10:27 #27494 by mester
approximately same as mine, but I got this one on 300mb, its sick, but can't locate the disease :blink:

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20 Jun 2013 10:29 #27496 by BenB
What Mac model, RAM, GPU, drive config?

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20 Jun 2013 10:33 #27497 by mester
Imac 2012, MacPro 2009, Imac 2013, Mac Book Pro 2011, all osx 10.8.3 and FCPX latest update,8- 16-32 RAM, Thunderbolt and PCI Raids, same problem on all machines (have another thread on that matter) the project file is totally fucked and almost impossible to work in, I'm on a rescue mission :unsure:

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20 Jun 2013 12:52 - 20 Jun 2013 14:24 #27501 by BenB
I'd ask to watch language. But yes, I have some quite large event and project files and they don't give me any problems, really. This is on a 2008 MP, 15" rMBP, and a 2012 iMac (rMBP & iMac on T'bolt drives). I wonder if this is a project created in an older version and updated?
Last edit: 20 Jun 2013 14:24 by BenB.

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20 Jun 2013 13:54 #27505 by stewpid
+1 re the language. But to help, I just had a quick scan through recent, typical event files and loads of them are up around 150/200mb. (from a Canon C300). All play fine, no hesitation, same with the project, which is about 25 mins long at present, and growing. All this at high quality preview on a Macbook Pro retina 15" with 16gb ram, biggest SSD. Driving two monitors sometimes gets a slight flicker but dropping to best performance setting fixes that. Oh, and edited from a USB3 device. Really happy with the performance.

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20 Jun 2013 14:23 #27509 by BenB
Brings up a good point, ALWAYS set a laptop to "Better Performance" and use optimized or proxy.

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20 Jun 2013 14:36 #27512 by cinemaloha
Specs: Late-2012 iMac 3.4 Ghz, 3TB Fusion (1.03TB Free), 12TB Pegasus R6 (7.8TB Free), 32GB RAM, 2GB VRAM, Media (ProRes)/Events/Projects on R6 RAID5, FCPX 10.0.8, OSX 10.8.4

Event File Size: 367MB


Project File Size: 598.5MB


Total Event Folder Size: 1.02TB


Timeline Length: 1H 10M (1047 Items)


This project has been working fine but a current multicam project has crashed a few times, which I'm still troubleshooting.

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20 Jun 2013 14:41 #27514 by mester
sorry for the f word, and thanks for sharing your data, can see that filesize dose not matter :)

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20 Jun 2013 17:30 - 20 Jun 2013 17:31 #27522 by Atamanov
Mesmer, I think you need spend some time to recreate multicam files.

Compound in compound bad result.
first multicam then in montage you can make compound to look many files as one.

Lets see to your Clip. make picture or better pic of clip, pic into it, please.
Last edit: 20 Jun 2013 17:31 by Atamanov.

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20 Jun 2013 22:27 #27543 by mester
got is up and running now, still slow, but when it starts after 10-12 minutes its possible to work in it, but I ended up manually replacing the clips that wasn't possible to relink, still FCPX got an issue here, and im really missing the break apart clip items function on multi cam clips, the problem are as you say in the compounds/multicamclips, but how do I get the original clip donw in the timeline, need the FCP7 uncolapse multi-cam clips :S

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20 Jun 2013 22:37 #27545 by Atamanov
give me XML i will look

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20 Jun 2013 23:14 #27547 by Atamanov
opening.... verrrry sloooow :)))
my 16 GB ram is full :)))

ooopppenning......

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21 Jun 2013 12:19 #27554 by Atamanov
no, it did not open. more than 7 hours tried to open XML.

lets try file of project - CurrentVersion.fcpproject. upload anywhere and send me a link.

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21 Jun 2013 13:03 #27557 by mester
send you a link i PM :dry:

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21 Jun 2013 13:11 #27558 by Andreas Kiel
From my experience it's not really the size that matters.

It's as mentioned the usage of compounds, multiclips and templates.

I've had had some very small simple projects for subtitles with several languages which took forever to open. To switch the role/language took forever as as well.
With subtitles there is a simple reason, each subtitle will reload the template and compare the original settings against the actual project settings of this template. With a few thousands of them it might take a while -- speed will vary depending on your system setup. So each time you change something there will be a look up in the databases for this actual template at this tc. This means not all databases are updated since X assumes that the template is the same. Using a custom template and modify it only the actual instance will be affected -- till the next launch of X. With the next launch all databases and their relations again will be compared and updated and all the instances of your modified template as well. This -- as said -- may take a while (and under some circumstances makes you unhappy cause of the result).

Using multiple (instances of) compounds or multiclips will create more or less the same issue. Several databases have to be linked and updated. This can additionally be slowed down if you renamed an event since the actual paths of files used in the event are not stored in the databases at the time you change it and not stored at the time you quit (auto save).
The next time X launches it will first look for the paths stored in the databases. If those paths are not found it will try to re-scan the original media folder of the matching events. In case a connection to the "original" original media can be be found everything looks fine for the user, but is still not saved into the databases. With every launch of X the same thing will happen unless you relink the files of every event before closing. Latter will cause all projects connected to these events to be updated as well.

If -- as mentioned by Atamanov -- even the XML takes up such a long time there is something wrong within the event/project organization.
Beside that: cause of the way X saves XMLs they are no real help if you want to re-create a project (since no parameters are saved or can be read) -- they will give you some basics only.

So back to the original question: How big are your biggest event/project file?
Doesn't matter, FCPX does handle huge files if they are set up in way FCPX likes.

my 2 cents
Andreas

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21 Jun 2013 13:57 #27559 by mester
True that Andreas, have never ever any problems myself, but this is not done by me, I'm just trying to solve it for a client :unsure:

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21 Jun 2013 15:04 #27560 by Wildgiles
Biggest project file is 260mb. Lots of edits + effects, 2.5 hours long + it was transferred from FCP 7 to X.
Biggest Event file 81mb.

One way to bring down a project file size is to copy and paste it into a new project timeline.

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