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A BlackMagic for 995$?!

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08 Apr 2013 14:35 #24036 by BenB
Replied by BenB on topic A BlackMagic for 995$?!
The original photo, as I posted, says 4k.

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08 Apr 2013 15:19 #24041 by pollux
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I was pretty exited about these new cameras but after giving myself a few minutes to cool down this is like pre-pre announcement. It may take a looong time before we can really touch them.

But anyway, the pocket cinema camera could be the one I will get

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08 Apr 2013 18:56 #24063 by simonpwood
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Shipping in July, according to their website.

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09 Apr 2013 00:06 - 09 Apr 2013 00:12 #24088 by TrixTrax9000
B&H is also taking orders, expected shipping in late July

Pocket Cinema

www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/964117-RE...t_cinema_camera.html

and the 4K

www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/964119-RE...ction_camera_4k.html

Being a bit of a techno-noob, I must confess I had to look up what "Global Shutter" meant. For those of you in a similar boat, here's what I found;

"With global shutter technology all pixels in the imaging array are exposed starting at the same time and stopping at the same time. This contrasts with the conventional rolling shutter that starts the exposure one row at a time and stops the exposure one row at a time which introduces distortion and artifacts in images of fast moving objects."

Unfortunately, it appears the Pocket Cinema model doesn't have this feature, although it does have an extra stop of Dynamic Range.
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09 Apr 2013 07:36 #24094 by Scrubelicious

TrixTrax9000 wrote:
Being a bit of a techno-noob, I must confess I had to look up what "Global Shutter" meant. For those of you in a similar boat, here's what I found;

"With global shutter technology all pixels in the imaging array are exposed starting at the same time and stopping at the same time. This contrasts with the conventional rolling shutter that starts the exposure one row at a time and stops the exposure one row at a time which introduces distortion and artifacts in images of fast moving objects."

Unfortunately, it appears the Pocket Cinema model doesn't have this feature, although it does have an extra stop of Dynamic Range.


Global Shutter = No Rolling Shutter! :woohoo:

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09 Apr 2013 08:09 - 09 Apr 2013 08:12 #24096 by simonpwood
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Global Shutter is a huge deal.

No other CMOS digital camera had a Global Shutter until the very recent (and very expensive) Sony F55 (I think that was the one), and Global Shutter was one of its big selling points. The Alexa has some kind of mechanical shutter to deal with it.

RED have just released a digital global shutter (and ND filter) for the Epic, its a paid for accessory, and costs more than the whole BMC4K camera! I think this was going to be a big reveal for RED (because its a big deal), but the wind was somewhat knocked out of their sails with the BM camera.

Interestingly, older video cameras (with CCD sensors) didnt have a need for Global Shutters, and had no rolling shutter. So when ever I need to do fast motion stuff, or images of traffic and that kind of thing, I pull out an old HDV camera that doesn't suffer from rolling shutter or jello. Progress, eh?
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09 Apr 2013 08:34 - 09 Apr 2013 08:41 #24101 by Scrubelicious
Not sure if this is there big NAB announcement!



If so it is pretty week compare to Blackmagic.

But what I want to know are the FPS for the Blackmagic Cameras!

Found it:
Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera
Shoots 23.98/24 and 29.97/30 fps
Blackmagic Production Camera 4k
Shoots 23.98/24/25fps, 29.97/30fps, 50i and 59.94i in 1920 x 1080

I am not impressed. :huh:
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09 Apr 2013 08:41 #24103 by simonpwood
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FPS is standard Cinema PAL & NTSC (24p, 25p, 30p).

No slow motion.

Probably in a year or two we will see some news models.

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09 Apr 2013 08:48 #24105 by simonpwood
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Scrubelicious wrote: If so it is pretty week compare to Blackmagic.


The Scarlet X deal is pretty good (upgrade to Dragon but keep the grey body) - especially when you consider what original Epic owners paid for the standard Epic, and now for the Dragon. Must be annoying for a lot of owners.

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09 Apr 2013 08:56 #24106 by Scrubelicious

simonpwood wrote: FPS is standard Cinema PAL & NTSC (24p, 25p, 30p).

No slow motion.

Probably in a year or two we will see some news models.


Yes I am ware of that, and that is why I am not impressed. :silly:

For RED I don't know. Dragon has been announced for awhile and they said something big is coming.
Maybe in there distribution side. REDtunes with 4K lol

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09 Apr 2013 09:12 #24107 by cgbier
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Does anyone know what the small sensor do to the MFT lenses' field of view?

I am intrigued by MFT and have a bunch of Digital Zuikos from my Olympus still cam. Wanted to go with a GH3, but now I think I wait a bit.

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09 Apr 2013 12:25 #24135 by BenB
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BMD Pocket Camera is the guts of the Cinema Camera in a small form factor, and very impressive.

BMD Production Camera has built in SSD recorder. Does 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 30 fps. Very disappointed there is no 60 fps to do a conform in FCPX for slow mo. Could be a deal killer for me.

Phantom 4K is mega impressive, but major bucks.

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