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Stopmotion - directional fade and consistent background?

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11 Jun 2012 13:04 - 11 Jun 2012 13:09 #9561 by vml_
Hello. I'm trying to create a stopmotion in which objects added to a frame fade in a specified direction. Here's some pictures which show what I'd like to achieve (taken from here ):











Is it possible to achieve this in FCPX?

The second thing that has me stumped is how to achieve a consistent (white) background throughout a stop motion. FCPX's 'Match Color' works well for video, but seems to produce extremely inconsistent results for pictures, even across a simple ten-frame animation. I could use Photoshop, but would prefer not to. Here's one of the aforementioned ten-frames:



DIsclaimer: I'm seeking this knowledge for educational purposes, and not to compete with artifex. Lego just happens to be a convenient medium for testing this stuff. I actually plan to disassemble a printer, and reassemble it into another, for a class project.
Last edit: 11 Jun 2012 13:09 by vml_. Reason: Added disclaimer

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11 Jun 2012 13:40 - 11 Jun 2012 14:07 #9562 by Scrubelicious
Well there many ways to do this effect.
The old school way would be (could) take photos from the Printer being disassembled. Make sure the camera and printer are in the same location.
Fade in and out from photo to photo.

The Artifex Lego video was likely done in a 3D Application like Cinema 4D or 3D Studio.
Last edit: 11 Jun 2012 14:07 by Scrubelicious.

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11 Jun 2012 14:10 - 11 Jun 2012 14:14 #9563 by vml_
Thanks for the tips. I understand the basics of stop motion, and how to achieve basic fades. However, what I'd like to do is apply a 'directional fade' to an object to give the illusion of motion. In the image sequence I've posted, I believe only the first and last frames are actual pictures, and the rest are computer sorcery. That's what I'd like to learn.

Edit: I've now read the addendum to your post. He uses Adobe After Effects and Premiere, but withholds information on how to achieve the effects (I presume for commercial reasons).
Last edit: 11 Jun 2012 14:14 by vml_.

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12 Jun 2012 00:07 #9569 by BenB
It looks like the second piece "grows" up from the surface of the first, as it fades in. Is that correct? Now sure without seeing the actual video clip.

If this is so, then a simple mask and opacity keyframe (crossfade) would do. super simple.

If he did this in AE and PPro, you can do it in Motion and FCP X, probably faster.

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12 Jun 2012 01:50 #9589 by vml_
Yup, that's correct (the first piece is also being distorted, but that doesn't seem essential). Here's the video:



While the fading in of the second piece can be done in FCP X, it seems that Motion is required to make it "grow" out the first. Could you please show me how the latter is done/direct me to some tutorials? My searches on the topic haven't been successful.

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12 Jun 2012 02:11 #9590 by BenB
Well, you're asking for a lot in a detailed tutorial. It will require a custom matte, or the distortion and crop tools, and keyframing, very basics to using Motion. I'd highly recommend you do the Motion 5 Fast Track from Ripple Training and actually learn to use the basics of Motion properly. Or find someone to do the compositing and effects for you.

Are you familiar with the bezier tool and mattes in Motion at all?

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12 Jun 2012 02:54 #9593 by vml_
Nope, I haven't got the program yet. I will have a look at some Motion tutorials; thanks for the suggestions. If that doesn't work out (or is too time consuming, since I need the whole project done in six days), a keyframed fade in FCP X seems a good compromise.

Thanks again for your help :)

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12 Jun 2012 03:18 - 12 Jun 2012 03:18 #9595 by BenB
Six days! OK, we need to get this done! Contact me off forum (email is in my profile here) and we'll get this worked out.

But it does give me an idea for a tutorial, and as soon as I'm done with my current project, I'll whip it up and post it. But not in six days. LOL!
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12 Jun 2012 13:07 #9632 by Scrubelicious
What other Application do you have?

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12 Jun 2012 13:53 - 14 Aug 2012 11:04 #9635 by BenB
This is what you want, right?
Video removed

Here's a Motion project that has three Groups. Two are set up to do this effect with a Matte in two different ways. The other set up to do this effect keyframing the Crop.Bottom parameter. The Mattes are quicker, easier, and smoother but I wanted to show there's more than one way of doing this.

If I was working with actual lego images, it'd be way easier. But I'm working with a photo of the final product. The techniques are still the same. I just wouldn't have to go into Pixelmator and isolate out the black logo by itself.
www.bbalser.com/downloads/LegoTest.zip

Mind you, this is a very rough sketch using pretty low quality images.
Last edit: 14 Aug 2012 11:04 by peteramwiggins.

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12 Jun 2012 14:42 #9639 by vml_
Woah! You're awesome; thanks so much for doing all this. And yeah, this is exactly what I want. I'm really excited to begin shooting images, since today I managed to disassemble both my printers (harder than it seems, due to their use of obscure tamper-resistant screws).

It's pretty late here, but tomorrow I'll download and learn Motion to see what you've done.

Scrubelicious; I have FCP X, and soon, Motion. That's what I'll be using to complete this project, but others may be interested in other programs/techniques.

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12 Jun 2012 19:23 #9652 by BenB
Reverse engineer the three Groups in that Motion project independently of each other. It'll be a learning experience.

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27 Jun 2012 19:26 #10424 by vml_
Thanks again Ben for your help with this project ( final product that I'm not too happy with ). Unfortunately, I wasn't able to shoot what I had planned to, and wasn't able to use the techniques you developed. However, they'll certainly come in handy for some future personal projects.

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27 Jun 2012 19:35 #10426 by BenB
Far out, man! I dig it! That's pretty cool! I think it worked out well. Could be the start of a larger project!

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27 Jun 2012 20:26 #10428 by vml_

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