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Excess Luma plugin
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22 May 2012 01:45 #8682
by Marc Lucas
Excess Luma plugin was created by Marc Lucas
In FCP6 there was the ability to select the Excess Luma function from within the Canvas window is there a plugin to do this in FCPX?
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22 May 2012 03:39 #8685
by BenB
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I just filled out the feedback page... again...
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22 May 2012 03:46 #8686
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Ha ha
I was looking all over for it and was hoping it was there in the Viewer display window but it wasn't. I thought though that there might of been a plugin available somewhere.
I'll fill it in again aswell!
I was looking all over for it and was hoping it was there in the Viewer display window but it wasn't. I thought though that there might of been a plugin available somewhere.
I'll fill it in again aswell!
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22 May 2012 08:58 #8688
by dgwvideo
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Replied by dgwvideo on topic Re: Excess Luma plugin
Nattress has a levels and curves plugin that will handle excess luma among other things. I haven't purchased it myself, but I did read his pdf manual and it appears to be a pretty full featured levels control for fcpx.
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22 May 2012 14:52 #8698
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Does it show zebras on screen? The reason I ask a college has only got FCPX and is learning video and wants to see the correlation between what he sees in the video camera with the zebras to what he sees on screen in an editor.
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22 May 2012 17:24 #8704
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Replied by Tom Wolsky on topic Re: Excess Luma plugin
Most camera operators set zebra to 75 or 80. That's not what you want in a video application. Zebra in camera has a different purpose. You should not try to correlate the two.
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22 May 2012 18:33 #8705
by Marc Lucas
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I set my zebras at 70% which i believe is the right exposure level for skin tones in a camera. I was asking because a college just wanted to gauge if he was under or over exposing (visually) with the zebras. I know its not necessarily the right way to do it but he is only starting out in video. So until he understands the scopes correctly he wanted to do it that way.
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22 May 2012 18:49 #8707
by Seanus
Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011
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I find the scopes so fantastic in FCP X I haven't missed this feature at all.
But I guess if you're in a real hurry it could be useful.
But I guess if you're in a real hurry it could be useful.
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22 May 2012 18:49 #8708
by BenB
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Scopes are easy to learn. In my classes I spend a full 60 seconds explaining them, and I've yet to have a student not just get it right away.
But like Tom says, Zebras in your camera and Scopes are very different things.
I always use 80 percent in my Zebras. What is correct exposure for skin tone? Well, depends on what you want that skin tone to look like.
As for correlating what you see in the camera and what you see in the NLE, that just takes practice to figure out. There's no rule that lets you make them look identical. The only way to do this is to have a professional monitor connected to the camera that has scopes built in like Flanders Scientific or some such brand.
Zebras are about exposure, about Luma values, not chroma values. Skin tone relies more on chroma than luma to look correct. So I don't see the connection between zebras and skin tone.
But like Tom says, Zebras in your camera and Scopes are very different things.
I always use 80 percent in my Zebras. What is correct exposure for skin tone? Well, depends on what you want that skin tone to look like.
As for correlating what you see in the camera and what you see in the NLE, that just takes practice to figure out. There's no rule that lets you make them look identical. The only way to do this is to have a professional monitor connected to the camera that has scopes built in like Flanders Scientific or some such brand.
Zebras are about exposure, about Luma values, not chroma values. Skin tone relies more on chroma than luma to look correct. So I don't see the connection between zebras and skin tone.
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22 May 2012 19:07 #8710
by Marc Lucas
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I might not of worded things correctly. Ben as you have mentioned it does take practice, experience and good judgment to figure out how things look in camera to how they look in an NLE. As I have mentioned my college wanted to know whether he was 'exposing' correctly in camera and getting used to using the zebras. That is why I asked about the Excess Luma function in FCP6/7 With that function is was graphically easy (for a beginner) to see what was exposed correctly or incorrectly.
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22 May 2012 19:31 #8713
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I don't know any plugin that will set zebra to 70. The only ones I've seen in editing apps are set to 100.
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22 May 2012 19:47 #8718
by BenB
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He needs to learn to read the zebras in his camera, then.
In FCP X, just have the Luma scope open.
And fill out the feedback page that we need luma/chorma warning indicators back.
In FCP X, just have the Luma scope open.
And fill out the feedback page that we need luma/chorma warning indicators back.
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22 May 2012 19:48 #8719
by Marc Lucas
Replied by Marc Lucas on topic Re: Excess Luma plugin
For clarification...
I set Zebras to 70% in my cameras so that I can gauge if I'm over-exposing (skin tones) thats my personal preference.
A college was (and who is learning) was asking whether he could see a correlation between what he was seeing in his camera to what he was seeing in FCPX. This is not directly linked to skin tones. He was asking in general about exposure.
I thought of the function in FCP6 (excess luma) would help on his learning of exposure in general, hence the original post. The excess luma in FCP6 does show from 90 - 100%
I just thought the excess luma function would be a good starter for learning exposure.
I set Zebras to 70% in my cameras so that I can gauge if I'm over-exposing (skin tones) thats my personal preference.
A college was (and who is learning) was asking whether he could see a correlation between what he was seeing in his camera to what he was seeing in FCPX. This is not directly linked to skin tones. He was asking in general about exposure.
I thought of the function in FCP6 (excess luma) would help on his learning of exposure in general, hence the original post. The excess luma in FCP6 does show from 90 - 100%
I just thought the excess luma function would be a good starter for learning exposure.
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22 May 2012 20:01 #8722
by BenB
Replied by BenB on topic Re: Excess Luma plugin
Luma scope, same luma data, more detailed.
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23 May 2012 01:04 #8749
by cgbier
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I'm not sure how the this plugin would help him after the fact.
There are a lot of books and tutorials about exposure all over the web and libraries. If I were your buddy, I'd look for a incident light meter and learn how to use it (is pretty simple).
Does his camera have built in waveforms?
There are a lot of books and tutorials about exposure all over the web and libraries. If I were your buddy, I'd look for a incident light meter and learn how to use it (is pretty simple).
Does his camera have built in waveforms?
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23 May 2012 06:07 #8751
by dgwvideo
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Replied by dgwvideo on topic Re: Excess Luma plugin
There is not any one single correct exposure setting as this is based on a particular look one is trying to achieve. There are guidelines and rules of thumb for this like there is for anything.
A levels plugin that allows luma control, broadcast safe and the like is useful after the fact to assist in correcting seriously over or under exposed images that would otherwise be useless.
A levels plugin that allows luma control, broadcast safe and the like is useful after the fact to assist in correcting seriously over or under exposed images that would otherwise be useless.
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