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13 May 2012 18:01 #8411 by mitchino
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How well does proves 422 stand up to a bit of to-ing and fro-ing? I have converted H264 files from a DSLR into ProRes using MPEG Streamclip, then edited in FCPX, and want to take the edit into AE for final effects, before rendering out to ProRes from AE, then onto Handbrake for final web compression.

Will this degrade the image much?

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13 May 2012 18:15 #8412 by Tom Wolsky
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ProRes is pretty lossless. Usually you can go five or six generations without noticeable degradation.

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13 May 2012 19:19 #8414 by Seanus
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I think Apple state 10 generations? But why so many processes?

Why not go in to FCP X native, convert on the way out to AE and then one last conversion for web?

I have never understood the fascination with MpegStreamClip.

Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011

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13 May 2012 23:02 #8427 by mitchino
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Thanks guys,

I think you're probably right Seanus - so should I edit in H264 in FCPX, or do I transcode from H264 to ProRes on import?

Then onto AE as ProRes and save for web from there?

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13 May 2012 23:07 #8429 by Tom Wolsky
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There is no one correct answer for every instance. It depends on a lot of factors, like what computer you're using, what's the content, what do you need to do to it, in FCP, and in AE. Agree with Seanus, have no idea why you're using Streamclip when FCP will optimize to ProRes on import.

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15 May 2012 18:39 #8487 by Seanus
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mitchino wrote: Thanks guys,

I think you're probably right Seanus - so should I edit in H264 in FCPX, or do I transcode from H264 to ProRes on import?

Then onto AE as ProRes and save for web from there?


Yes mate. That's the way I'd do it. As Tom pointed out it really depends on many factors as whether you transcode on import or not. Most of the time I do. But if I have have huge clips that I'm just cherry picking a couple of seconds out of here and there then I don't bother.

Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011

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15 May 2012 19:22 #8490 by screendor
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I find MPEG Streamclip to be very handy for creating MP4s (and great for ripping DVDs to .MOV source). That said, I always start with an FCP & or FCPX Pro Res export and then convert with Streamclip.

I use Compressor for DVDs and a few other things, but I really like the flexibility and results from Streamclip for MP4s--which ends up being a common deliverable these days for a lot of clients.

Plus: Streamclip is FREE!

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16 May 2012 08:28 #8521 by dgwvideo
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Give Quicktime 7 a try. Makes great H.264 encodes that you can wrap as .mp4, .mov, etc.

Creating history....one edit at a time !

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16 May 2012 09:55 #8523 by cgbier
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If you download the x.264 plugin, you'll have great results even from Compressor.

There was a discussion about it on MacBreak Studio a while ago: www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mov/pixelco...ks_108_540p_h264.mov

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