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Poor font rendering, help.
23 Mar 2020 15:28 #105529
by BuckoBell
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Hello folks,
I'm having an issue getting my edits to pass reviews from my Exec Producer due to FCPX's text rendering. Specifically, FCPX is adding a faint black outline/shadow in my white text set over red backgrounds. The Premiere editors are not having this issue so I assume it's a rendering issue, Should I be sending my edits to Compressor? What setting would clean up my fonts? Please see the attachments.
I'm having an issue getting my edits to pass reviews from my Exec Producer due to FCPX's text rendering. Specifically, FCPX is adding a faint black outline/shadow in my white text set over red backgrounds. The Premiere editors are not having this issue so I assume it's a rendering issue, Should I be sending my edits to Compressor? What setting would clean up my fonts? Please see the attachments.
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24 Mar 2020 19:05 #105570
by JoeEditor
Replied by JoeEditor on topic Poor font rendering, help.
What text template are you using? Be sure Drop Shadow is turned off.
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24 Mar 2020 19:22 #105574
by BuckoBell
Replied by BuckoBell on topic Poor font rendering, help.
The lettering was created using the 'custom' title with no drop shadow or outline. I've also had the graphics team send me lossless lower thirds and got the same result upon sharing out of FCPX for computer at better quality. The same happens when sharing as H.264
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25 Mar 2020 11:45 #105597
by JoeEditor
Replied by JoeEditor on topic Poor font rendering, help.
I've never seen that, I'm stumped.
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26 Mar 2020 01:33 - 26 Mar 2020 01:36 #105627
by Carsten Orlt
Replied by Carsten Orlt on topic Poor font rendering, help.
I don't know why exactly but I can confirm what you're seeing, at least in a 4.2.2 colour space export (h264 or ProRes HQ).
I recreated a red BG and a text (doesn't matter whether you use the Custom title from the Built-In/out or the Basic title, same result). I also tried it on Blue BG and no ghosting (that's what I would call it).
I just tried a ProRes 4444 export and there you don't see it!
So my guess is that it has to do with 422 colour space and how the colour information is reduced. Don't know enough about the technical details but that's what it looks like.
What do you have to deliver? Can you deliver a ProRes 4444 QuickTime to them? Then it would be clean.
I recreated a red BG and a text (doesn't matter whether you use the Custom title from the Built-In/out or the Basic title, same result). I also tried it on Blue BG and no ghosting (that's what I would call it).
I just tried a ProRes 4444 export and there you don't see it!
So my guess is that it has to do with 422 colour space and how the colour information is reduced. Don't know enough about the technical details but that's what it looks like.
What do you have to deliver? Can you deliver a ProRes 4444 QuickTime to them? Then it would be clean.
Last edit: 26 Mar 2020 01:36 by Carsten Orlt. Reason: to make it clearer :-)
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26 Mar 2020 11:52 #105631
by Andreas Kiel
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26 Mar 2020 16:48 #105639
by BuckoBell
Replied by BuckoBell on topic Poor font rendering, help.
Thanks for your thoughts. The Premiere editors in my team have no problems with their white fonts on red, but they also have far more options in their render settings. Sending to Compressor doesn't appear to offer much more as far as settings. Maybe I should export as 4.4.4.4 and use Adobe Media Encoder?
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26 Mar 2020 16:53 #105640
by Andreas Kiel
Replied by Andreas Kiel on topic Poor font rendering, help.
Maybe I wasn't clear.
The examples I attached are from Premiere Pro (ProRes 422) and DO show the same cross color effect - only a bit sharper.
Latter is a kind of PPro 'feature' to sharpen output, it's discussed quite often.
The examples I attached are from Premiere Pro (ProRes 422) and DO show the same cross color effect - only a bit sharper.
Latter is a kind of PPro 'feature' to sharpen output, it's discussed quite often.
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26 Mar 2020 17:39 - 26 Mar 2020 19:04 #105643
by Andreas Kiel
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Last edit: 26 Mar 2020 19:04 by Andreas Kiel. Reason: replace screenshot with font of same size used in both apps
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28 Mar 2020 00:15 #105697
by Carsten Orlt
Replied by Carsten Orlt on topic Poor font rendering, help.
And nice to see that FCP renders a better result
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28 Mar 2020 19:16 #105701
by JoeEditor
Replied by JoeEditor on topic Poor font rendering, help.
Going off on a tangent here, but I'm production manager for a TV station, and I'm not sure why your production head is worried about something so trivial. Seems there's an ulterior motive here, or something else going on.
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