expanded audio still gets cross fades with video transition added

I have a clip with audio placed on top of the storyline. When I add a video transition, the audio gets a crossfade. I don't want this or at least want to affect the length of the crossfade. The manual says "If the audio is detached or expanded from the video, the crossfade is not added." When I expand audio or expand audio components it still adds the crossfade. When detached, it doesn't add the crossfades. I'd really rather not detach all my clips to avoid this. Am I missing something in the expanded method?

Could you post a screenshot of the timeline area that’s affected?

It works as advertised for me. Yeah, screengrab would really help. "On top" of the video? Really?

Not sure if yesterday I could move the fade handle, but today I can. It's a little odd, the fade handle is at the beginning of the clip and when I grab it, it pops to the end of the fade. Though according to the manual I shouldn't have to if the audio is expanded.

Yes FCPX .guru "On Top". 18 years of FCP1-7 is gonna take a little getting over. This is my 3rd real project in X. I still have my "Project = Library, Seq = Project..." cheat sheet still on my desk.

here are the screen shots.

Yes, I can reproduce that when the transition is at the beginning of the storyline. You don't see the cross fade when the transition is between clips.

Thanks Tom, playing with clips together, clips lifted from the storyline and such I'm finding consistency, just not exactly what the manual says it should do. If I "Apply Fades" first, then the transition doesn't override what I've done at the beginning. Am I missing the reason that it treats a transition at the front of a storyline differently than between 2 clips?

I'm sure I'll find the efficiency in the timeline with time, just doing it 8 years after everyone else.

I have personally found that if you expand the audio and then grab the audio and move it, either left or right, it will 'break' the audio fade so you can have it work as you like.

I think you have to detach the audio to be able to move it independently of the video.

You're absolutely right, I should have said 'drag' the in point on your audio either left or right, I didn't mean to suggest detaching the audio.

Once Detached, can you re-attach? Can't seem to find a way, except make it compound.

Compound it or replace from the browser are the only ways. There's no reattach function.