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Locking off a 4K shot handheld shot in post
16 Aug 2018 11:03 #96825
by PhilCF
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Hi Guys, wondering if anyone knows anything about locking off a 4K shot in post?
I filmed both shots in the attached image 4K. Problem is that I handheld them, so there's a bit of wobble in both images. I have plenty of resolution, and I want to sacrifice some of the under exposed part of the image to make the centre subjects stable.
I tried FCP built in stabilizer, and also Core Melt's Lock and Load, but neither do what I'm looking for. I want to create the "Tripod" effect. It may be a settings thing that I don't understand in the above.
Does anyone know how to do this?
Phil
I filmed both shots in the attached image 4K. Problem is that I handheld them, so there's a bit of wobble in both images. I have plenty of resolution, and I want to sacrifice some of the under exposed part of the image to make the centre subjects stable.
I tried FCP built in stabilizer, and also Core Melt's Lock and Load, but neither do what I'm looking for. I want to create the "Tripod" effect. It may be a settings thing that I don't understand in the above.
Does anyone know how to do this?
Phil
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16 Aug 2018 11:11 - 16 Aug 2018 11:13 #96826
by JoeEditor
Replied by JoeEditor on topic Locking off a 4K shot handheld shot in post
You can only stabilize so much. If there's too much movement, nothing will totally stabilize a shot. Be sure your screen shot is a JPEG, 72dpi, and not more than 1200 pixels tall or wide. I can see any screen shot.
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16 Aug 2018 12:57 #96829
by Karsten Schlüter
a) afaik, FCPX takes the whole clip into consideration, even cropped parts outside the frame.
b) never got the 'tripod'-mode offered with handheld footage …
c) the 'tripod' option is only avail - in my experience - with material shot from a <cough> … tripod, resp. monopod. Pure speculation: too much rotation prohibits Inertia-cam ... material with little 'shake' (breathing/nervous/talking cameraman), less to no pans/zooms, a clear 'subject' in front of a non-moving/blurred/solid BG gives superb results, and esp. when the source offers a higher res than needed …
so, verdict from here: there's a bit more than just a bit of wobble in your material.
"fix it in post!" - nope, use a tripod/gimbal, add 'handheld' in post! :silly:
Replied by Karsten Schlüter on topic Locking off a 4K shot handheld shot in post
phil@circuitfactory.ae wrote: … there's a bit of wobble … want to sacrifice some of the under exposed part of the image to make the centre subjects stable. …
a) afaik, FCPX takes the whole clip into consideration, even cropped parts outside the frame.
b) never got the 'tripod'-mode offered with handheld footage …
c) the 'tripod' option is only avail - in my experience - with material shot from a <cough> … tripod, resp. monopod. Pure speculation: too much rotation prohibits Inertia-cam ... material with little 'shake' (breathing/nervous/talking cameraman), less to no pans/zooms, a clear 'subject' in front of a non-moving/blurred/solid BG gives superb results, and esp. when the source offers a higher res than needed …
so, verdict from here: there's a bit more than just a bit of wobble in your material.
"fix it in post!" - nope, use a tripod/gimbal, add 'handheld' in post! :silly:
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16 Aug 2018 13:23 #96830
by MsJustine
Replied by MsJustine on topic Locking off a 4K shot handheld shot in post
I don't see any attachments, yet Karsten refers to the attachment...is or is there no attachment from the original post??
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16 Aug 2018 14:12 #96831
by joema
Absolutely correct. E.g, you can't take out frame blurring. If there is foreground/background perspective shift, it can't remove that.
Every stabilizer has different nuances. I frequently use FCPX, Premiere Pro Warp Stabilizer, CrumplePop Easy Stabilizer: www.crumplepop.com/product/fcpx-premiere...in-betterstabilizer/
Core Melt Lock and Load: coremelt.com/pages/lock-load-for-fcp-x
And Mercalli which is currently stand-alone only for FCPX: www.prodad.com/Video-Stabilization-for-P...SAL--29795,l-us.html
You can spend lots of time grinding through stabilization attempts. Sometimes it works better than other times. For very casual material you can probably leave some stabilization artifacts in but for most content this is poor form. So you are limited not only by how well it stabilizes but whether it leaves behind artifacts.
As already stated the best course is stabilize it optically or mechanically when shooting, or at least reduce the amount of stabilization needed in post.
Replied by joema on topic Locking off a 4K shot handheld shot in post
FCPX.guru wrote: You can only stabilize so much. If there's too much movement, nothing will totally stabilize a shot...
Absolutely correct. E.g, you can't take out frame blurring. If there is foreground/background perspective shift, it can't remove that.
Every stabilizer has different nuances. I frequently use FCPX, Premiere Pro Warp Stabilizer, CrumplePop Easy Stabilizer: www.crumplepop.com/product/fcpx-premiere...in-betterstabilizer/
Core Melt Lock and Load: coremelt.com/pages/lock-load-for-fcp-x
And Mercalli which is currently stand-alone only for FCPX: www.prodad.com/Video-Stabilization-for-P...SAL--29795,l-us.html
You can spend lots of time grinding through stabilization attempts. Sometimes it works better than other times. For very casual material you can probably leave some stabilization artifacts in but for most content this is poor form. So you are limited not only by how well it stabilizes but whether it leaves behind artifacts.
As already stated the best course is stabilize it optically or mechanically when shooting, or at least reduce the amount of stabilization needed in post.
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16 Aug 2018 15:05 #96832
by Francois
Replied by Francois on topic Locking off a 4K shot handheld shot in post
Sometimes the best of them all is in Davinci Resolve , the tracker-stabiliser in that software is just impressive ...
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