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Why Is Audio Louder in Browser vs In Timeline?

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28 Oct 2017 00:01 #91320 by Shane M
I've noticed over, but never really NEEDED to figure it out for certain that audio that I bring in to FCPX is louder in the Browser than when placed in the Timeline. This is kind of strange and annoying. I'm curious if there is a reason why this is, or if this is a bug? This is mostly referring to mono interview dialogue.

What way would you recommend correcting this?


(For the record, the loudness in the browser matches the loudness of the audio files off the memory card in the Finder, so its definitely accurate vs the timeline audio.)


Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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29 Oct 2017 16:28 #91351 by JoeEditor
Never seen that. Is anything else in the Timeline? Does the Timeline versions have any effects applied?

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29 Oct 2017 23:59 - 30 Oct 2017 00:00 #91362 by Shane M
Here is a screen recording of what I mean...fresh Library, added in the audio clip and then you can see the difference between the browser and timeline...

Last edit: 30 Oct 2017 00:00 by Shane M.

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30 Oct 2017 00:10 - 30 Oct 2017 00:11 #91363 by Tom Wolsky
I confess I don’t really understand pan law, but I think it’s applicable here. You have a mono recording that you’ve converted to stereo. If both channels maintained the original level the overall output would seem louder.
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30 Oct 2017 00:27 #91364 by Shane M
Yes, in researching what could be happening over the past day or so I think its probably got to do with that...basically its being split so its going to have less loudness...okay, I more or less get that.

I'm not entirely clear how to compensate for it though...is it destructive to just increase the db to a level where its back to equal to where where the mono file in the browser would be?

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30 Oct 2017 00:33 #91365 by Tom Wolsky
Not at all. You should adjust it to your reference level for normal speech.

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30 Oct 2017 20:38 #91379 by John G
I asked the same question in October but had no replies. :( (Well, it was the weekend…)

I’m working with some mono voice-over audio supplied by a recording studio. The audio level drops by about 6 db when the clips are placed in the timeline compared to when I listen in the browser. The level meters also show this is happening.

It only happens with mono tracks. A stereo track (such as a piece of music) plays at the same level in both the browser and the timeline.

I think Shane is right that it’s something to do with a mono track being split into two channels in the timeline.

It’s not a problem but it is a bit odd. Also odd that I’ve only noticed it recently. It would be interesting to understand what’s happening within FCPX.

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30 Oct 2017 21:37 #91382 by BCH
This isn’t a bug, it’s normal. When you add two mono files in a Stereo timeline, you double the loudness +6db. FCPX compensates this and applies a downmix attenuation -6db. This is something logical.
If you add only one mono file in your stereo timeline, you need to up the gain 6db (for cancel the downmix attenuation) or you can add twice the same mono file.
Sorry for my bad english.

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31 Oct 2017 10:17 #91389 by John G
Yes, that makes sense. I'll experiment a bit more...

Thanks

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