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FCPX Muscle memory out of whack with 10.3

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10 Nov 2016 22:16 #82563 by waternyc
Who shares my experience? My 10.2 muscle memory is still out of whack while using 10.3.

Don't get me wrong...I love 10.3 - its great - but I'm wasting so much time going here to there and back to the new there. Anyone else feeling like this.....hahahaha

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10 Nov 2016 22:28 #82565 by canelson
Same here, from my point of view they moved the interface buttons way too much and make a few things more complicated than it where (not talking about the interface, I love it, just the position of the buttons).

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11 Nov 2016 18:23 #82590 by JoeEditor
I edit TV shows all day long. Couple days I was into the new muscle memory. I'm lost in the 10.2 UI now.

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11 Nov 2016 18:54 #82593 by anickt
The only thing I really have a problem with is still mousing to the left to access move through Timeline History. Going to have to start using Key Command for that one. I'm using more key commands than ever now. Easier than trying to figure out where stuff is.

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12 Nov 2016 03:45 #82598 by Karsten Schlüter
Luckily, a year ago or so, I finally using keyboard-shortcuts habitually - much faster than any mouse (here: MTP). No news for you 14h-a-day editors, but a huge leap for an hobbyist like me.

But, yes, my cursor still does some extra milage for transitions lower riiiight, titles/generators upper leeeeeft, and in the beginning the Share button was simply 'gone' :)

… actually: where are the Themes on my screen… ??? here? no. there ? no. hmmm? :blink:

Frankly: both layouts had some sort of inner logic, it's all getting-used-to-it ...........

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12 Nov 2016 11:00 #82606 by waternyc
Ohh yeah, there is no doubt that sooner than later everything in my brain will be re-wired. Things are looking better already. It all makes us sharper in the end. "Discomfort grows neural pathways."

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12 Nov 2016 13:17 #82615 by JoeEditor
Biggest thing that helped me readjust, realizing the top left are "Content Browsers". Apple dev team even used that term in their presentation at the Creative Summit. Everything there places a clip in your timeline. Lower right, the Effects & Transitions only "effect" those clips, they don't create physical content in your Timeline.

In fact, all that stuff at the top left are "media management" tools.

Learn the keyboard shortcuts, one at a time. The more time you're fingers are on the keyboard and not the mouse/trackpad, the faster you're getting through your work. My students over the past decade+ always asked the best, easiest way to memorize all those shortcuts. Over my years of teaching, I found a very simple method that many of my students used very successfully. If I access something via a menu or button more than twice or so in an edit session, look at the shortcut in the menu or Tool Tip, memorize that single one for that day. Make yourself use it for one day. Put a sticky note on your screen. Next day, learn another one. You won't soak them all in at once. But over a short time, you'll be surprised how quickly and easily you're picking them up.

BTW, I absolutely hate those color coded keyboards with the shortcuts all over them. But that's just personal preference, some folks love them.

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12 Nov 2016 13:31 #82619 by Karsten Schlüter

FCPX.guru wrote: … realizing the top left are "Content Browsers". Apple dev team even used that term in their presentation at the Creative Summit. Everything there places a clip in your timeline. Lower right, the Effects & Transitions only "effect" those clips, they don't create physical content in your Timeline.…


Excellent advice, thanks for sharing!

Similar story with keyboard-shortcuts:
left hand is commands, (find, switch 'focussed' pane, active angle)
right hand is actions (J/K/L, set in/out points, nudge l/r)

… okayyyy, the differentiation of commands and actions is a bit academic ;), but when my school-kiddies get the idea…-

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12 Nov 2016 14:53 - 12 Nov 2016 15:00 #82634 by waternyc
I respect everyones opinion, especially educator's, and highly experienced professionals. However, my humble opinion is that it should be a melding of the two*. I work pretty fast with a little bit of both.... and again (like you guys suggest) what ever works for each individual artist....

*two=old vs new AND keyboard vs track/mouse tool
Last edit: 12 Nov 2016 15:00 by waternyc.

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12 Nov 2016 15:35 #82640 by JoeEditor
No one said only use one or the other. We're saying the "more" time you spend on the keyboard the faster you'll get through your workflow. There are some commands that have no keyboard shortcut, and no single person will ever memorize every single keyboard command.

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12 Nov 2016 15:38 #82642 by waternyc
Exactly...thats what I meant when I said "a melding of the two*"
B) :( :) :cheer: ;) :P

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25 Nov 2016 15:50 - 25 Nov 2016 16:08 #83262 by KBayquoi
To WaterNYC:
I agree 100%. Not happy with the new look and feel of interface. Old Microsoft trick of moving EXISTING functionality around to give perception of a new product, when in fact, users now have to re-learn where all the EXISTING functionality is now. I personally am disappointed with the lack of colour. Objects that changed colour indicated underlying functionality. Now it is harder to see that. A diamond icon for keyframes is now harder to see in a sea of white objects. In Motion 5.3, if you rig a parameter, the rigged icon would turn blue if on a key frame and you could click it to toggle keyframe on/off. Now the rig icon stays one colour(no indication of a keyframe). If you click it(and have the keyframe editior open) it still has functionality behind it(i.e. puts a keyframe on the parameter) but you can not tell from the parameter window anymore because the icon has no colour.
I just don't agree that removing all the colour from buttons/icons helps at all, with concentrating better on the video. To me, that is just marketing hype. There was a definite practical indication of functionality behind changing the colour of icons, that is now lost in this new interface.
Also don't like the splitting of titles/generators to the opposite side of the window to effects/transitions. To me, they are all created in motion which was a logical reason for keeping them together. I have heard the arguments for separating them, but again, theory vs. practicality in use, makes more clicks and less sense.
Having said that...I agree fully with your last statement:
"Don't get me wrong...I love 10.3 - its great - but I'm wasting so much time going here to there and back to the new there. Anyone else feeling like this?"
Last edit: 25 Nov 2016 16:08 by KBayquoi.

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26 Nov 2016 13:46 #83313 by DmitriZigany
I don't have so much so much against rearrangements. But the new flat look is just horrible. It now looks just like Premiere or Resolve or something. And no colours for buttons etc means that you don't immediately see what is "clickable" in the same way... Way less intuitive to use. Unfortunately this is the way Apple is going... :(

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26 Nov 2016 19:03 - 26 Nov 2016 19:52 #83336 by waternyc
Hey guys and gals, Just to clear things up. I never said, (or meant) I did not like the changes - I am actually really enjoying them, and at this point I think going back to 10.2 would be harder... I was just pointing out the fact that I am in a transitional re-learning phase, which is annoying (because I'm trying to get work done) BUT, in all honesty, keeps me sharp.

Additionally, 10.3 has nothing to do with the other NLEs, in my opinion.
And mostly, I really trust the vision of Apple's team. I think whoever isn't onboard should sometimes just realize that there are a lot of bright minds involved in this updates, they just don't make decisions overnight.

I love the changes.
Last edit: 26 Nov 2016 19:52 by waternyc.

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26 Nov 2016 22:20 #83347 by Redifer
You'd BETTER like the changes. If you don't you might get BANNED from here. Kidding of course.

As for me, it took only a few minutes to get used to the new layout. My biggest problem, believe it or not, was locating the opacity controls. I simply could not find them! It turns out that they moved them from the bottom of the Inspector to the top for some incomprehensible reason but whatever I know where it is now. For me it feels like normal FCPX now. Things are in a few different places. It will be fun to look back on pre-10.3 FCPX in a year or two when we're all super-used to how this one looks and feels.

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27 Nov 2016 02:15 - 27 Nov 2016 02:15 #83354 by JoeEditor
Been using 10.3 longer than most, cut full seasons of two educational TV shows, a season of a reality TV show season, more broadcast promo spots than I care to remember, and 5 full FCPX training courses. I occasionally have to work at a Mac that still has 10.2 on it. I never thought I'd dislike the 10.2 UI as much as I do today. It feels so clunky, awkward, unorganized, and slow. Very funny because only a very short time ago I thought 10.2 was an amazing work of genius. Super happy with the changes, and they are for the most part based, in fact, on user feedback. Amazing job, loving it. Can't believe how fast I fly through things as fast as I do. Unfortunately, I bragged to the station's GM about it. Thus, I'm churning out more work per day than I ever have before.
Last edit: 27 Nov 2016 02:15 by JoeEditor.

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27 Nov 2016 13:17 - 27 Nov 2016 13:18 #83364 by KBayquoi

Unfortunately, I bragged to the station's GM about it. Thus, I'm churning out more work per day than I ever have before.


:ohmy: :lol: Been there....done that! The more you give, the more they want. Good thing this set of tools help speed up the process.
Last edit: 27 Nov 2016 13:18 by KBayquoi.

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