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Another FCPX vs PPro comparison on speed

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08 Nov 2015 20:04 #70378 by BenB
Iain Anderson has a really interesting short comparison.
www.macprovideo.com/hub/final-cut/final-...pro-performance-test

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09 Nov 2015 07:19 #70391 by MsJustine
And how is Adobe better?? FCPX spanked CC red-raw in every test...I have my issues with FCPX, Apple and updates, but really I cannot see any real benefit to being on a rental platform that is at best twice as slow at doing anything...

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09 Nov 2015 07:26 #70392 by AppleGuru
These review don't mean nothing especially ever review result is different.
The best compareisng you can do is load both Apps as a test and see which you can team up with better.

FCPX will beat Premiere in performance not sure why Premiere would be better in this case?

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09 Nov 2015 12:26 #70398 by BenB
This is the THRID article published recently doing speed tests between FCPX and PPro. Speed is everything. It saves you time, and time is money. The faster you get work done, the more likely you're not racing to beat a deadline. The faster you finish, the more money you make (most jobs are flat rate contracted, not hourly staff). It is of major importance.

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09 Nov 2015 14:58 #70409 by DmitriZigany
For me the worst speed hurdles is my procrastination to start editing and the internet speed to upload final job ;)

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09 Nov 2015 16:05 #70414 by joema

MsJustine wrote: ...I cannot see any real benefit to being on a rental platform that is at best twice as slow at doing anything...

The Premiere suite is much more diverse. It includes Photoshop, Premiere, SpeedGrade, OnLocation, Prelude, Lumetri, Encore, Audition, After Effects, etc.

Of course you pay for that, and starting with CC, Adobe essentially eliminated any discount to non-profit entities. Their license says you can use it on two computers. By contrast Apple's licensing says FCP X can be used on up to 10 computers that you "own or control".

Adobe's subscription rate for the full suite would pay for a new iMac every three years. By contrast the cost of FCP X goes to essentially zero over time, so you are only paying for the Mac hardware. From a certain point of view, with FCP X you are getting a free computer every few years vs what you'd pay to Adobe.

If you stop paying the Adobe subscription, you essentially lose access to your work. The rendered files will still be there but you can't open or edit a project -- even if you've paid the subscription fee for many years.

Premiere is not twice as slow "at doing anything", it is slower at certain things, esp. exporting to H264. In actual use it does not feel slow. The UI has a very direct-coupled, hard-wired responsiveness. There is rarely any lag. Premiere does a great job of using the GPU for accelerated effects on the timeline. You rarely have to render the timeline to get good playback performance, even when many effects are applied.

Premiere has no equivalent to FCP X's integrated metadata management, tagging, logging, etc. The Prelude product does not remotely compare. To even approach FCP X's digital asset management, you'd have to use a 3rd party product like CatDV: www.squarebox.com , and then it would not be nearly as integrated.

OTOH the Adobe suite includes the Audition audio editor. This has spectral editing similar to (though less sophisticated than) Izotope. So in this case a FCP X user would have to purchase a 3rd party product to equal that.

A looming problem for Premiere users is the rapid proliferation of 4k. This is happening much faster than anyone anticipated. Even a top-spec iMac (whether running Premiere CC or FCP X) can struggle on 4k, esp multicam. FCP X has seamlessly integrated proxy workflow -- it works beautifully. You just say "transcode to proxy" either on import or afterward, flip the viewer to proxy, and you're done. The only additional step is remembering to put the viewer back to original media before the final export.

By contrast Premiere users needing proxy because of 4k performance issues have to manually transcode before import, copy files around, hope they don't get out of sync then cross their fingers on the final export. It would be a nightmare to roll out that workflow in my group.

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09 Nov 2015 16:15 - 09 Nov 2015 16:17 #70416 by MsJustine
I have yet to see anyone post a glowing review of PPro over FCPX. I never understood why Adobe went the rental only option, maybe to prevent piracy, I am sure Apple suffers from illegal use of FCPX, but I don't see Apple making much of this.

I would love to buy a copy of Ppro, Audition, and Photoshop, buy to learn, at my own pace, use as I please, if I want to upgrade, buy a new copy...So I don't have Photoshop, the exchange rate laws prevent me from taking a monthly subscription in US Dollars, damn laws cost my subscription to Lynda...

I love that I own FCPX, it is divorced from the cloud, I do not have to worry about paying subscription fees, on that point, I was offered a "free" copy of Avid, something or other, but was asked to pay for the annual service fee, more than $1000, hahahaha..NO thank you...

Yes Adobe has a few nice shiny trinkets in it's toybox, but at what it costs to play in that room, I would prefer a new mac...
Last edit: 09 Nov 2015 16:17 by MsJustine.

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