FCPX to Logic problems

I'm trying to get a good workflow for final audio mixes. FCPX just isn't up t the job in some cases and I have been trying logic.

The problem is the timeline just gets completely screwed up with clips totally out of position.

I'm exporting an XML from FCPX and importing that in to Logic.

Is there some other workflow I totally missed that gets it right?

A lot of people prefer running the XML through X2Pro ( www.x2pro.net/ ) then create an AAF for import into FCP X. It's available in the App Store.

Before that try exporting another XML and make sure that "Audio" is selected in the dropdown first. Import that into Logic Pro and see if its better.

Yeah, the xml transfer from FCPX to Logic is really messed up...

Thanks for the replies. It seems that Xto7 then in to Audition works better. At least my clips seem to be where they should be whereas with Logic i may as well have dumped things randomly on the time line and called it good!

Oh well....

The best way to get FCP X audio into ProTools or Logic X is by using X2Pro, not Xto7. If you use X2Pro you will get perfect alignment of your audio based on Roles.

- Ronny

Thanks Ronny.

Question....

Perfect alignment based on roles.... so if I have two ambient sounds layered do they come in as separate tracks when using X2Pro even though they have the same role? It seems like they should but since you say alignment is by roles I thought I'd better ask!

If you export an "Audio" XML of FCP X and import into Logic Pro X it will do the same thing. However, I have to admit, the X2Pro way is a little more elegant.

I did export an 'audio' XML and it was still pretty screwed up in Logic

Some audio 'tracks' that were trimmed in FCPX weren't trimmed and fully enabled in Logic, where others where fine.

Other clips we moved to the start of the sequence in Logic whereas others remained in sync,

Some clips just shifted by a few seconds.

Basically it was a mess.

Then like Ronny said, X2Pro will be the winner though I do agree the FCP X team and the Logic Pro X team need a "heart to heart" meeting.

X2Pro will indeed put every role on a separate track and all tracks will be in sync. If you use the pro version the media will also be trimmed.

Here you can read some more about X2Pro and Logic: www.fcpworks.com/the-logic-of-sound-part-v/

- Ronny

But in all honesty, that I have to spend that much money on XML transfers between the two apps, that's pretty ridiculous. You have to admit, that's pretty lacking after 4 years.

Of course, the only other option seems to be avoiding XML entirely and export a multitrack QuickTime, but then that isn't ideal either.

That will enable two options though, either a complete mix down done within Logic, or a stem mix.

If you've done it right and you're really happy with the final product then I can't see why producing a final mix in Logic wouldn't work. Personally though, even when I am totally happy I do still seem to,change me mind at least a tiny bit the following day, so working with a couple of stems should provide a little bit of flexibility. That's how the big studios do it anyway.

If there is too much wrong, then obviously it needs to be remixed.

Hi All
The LogicX to FCPX workflow really needs to be fixed. Problems have gone on, way too long. We should not have to purchase a separate app that is really designed for Logic output into ProTools to get proper functionality. Seriously, a 3rd party app that functions better than Apple's. :ohmy:

Would love to see 1 click round tripping and the use of "extensions" between the 2 programs for minor tweaks. After all, it is the Logic audio engine inside FCPX, so why the issues? With legacy FCP we had round tripping with Sound Track Pro, despite some issues.

Working on a musical right now and need the power of Logic, personally find audio in FCP too limited, and I am old school audio engineer. I need meters, faders, sub mixes, better control of effects, not to mention for actual audio recording.

Have used, and will again, the feedback page in both FCPX and LogicX.

Hope this helps, Greg

FCPX and LPX can use the same AU plugins, that does not mean Logic's "engine" is inside FCPX. There's more too it than that.

I do 90% of my video's audio mixing and sweeting in FCPX directly. But, being abel to take something from one to the other should simply be there, period.

Ben,
AFAIK FCPX, LogicX, GarageBand and other programs all use the same underlying engine/Core Audio. It is not just limited to AUs. Nor is it intrinsic to only one program.
Apple does deprecate some features, and changes the UI, but each program is not using separate algorithms/programming for audio processing. All the effects, sound files, software instruments, share a common core.
There is a lot happening underneath upgrading/changing the foundation, but really, Apple needs to work on fixing the interactions between Apple apps.
If Apple with Billion$ in cash, large corps of software developers/ engineers, control of both software and hardware, can't do what a small company can do, something is wrong and needs attention.
Nor is this just an added feature(s) that should/could be left to 3rd parties, this is what Apple's ecosystem is supposed to be great at; "It Just Works".
This has gone on too long.

Hope this helps, Greg

LPX utilizes the CoreAudio extension format, but that isn't an "engine" that it runs on. Not how the coding works. And that has nothing to do with XML. But yes, they need to fix it, and very soon.

Dave_EP wrote: I'm trying to get a good workflow for final audio mixes. FCPX just isn't up t the job in some cases and I have been trying logic.

The problem is the timeline just gets completely screwed up with clips totally out of position.

I'm exporting an XML from FCPX and importing that in to Logic.

Is there some other workflow I totally missed that gets it right?

I agree with X2Pro route. Not only does it give you the audio roles (and in the order you want them), but it allows you to dismiss unused audio tracks (e.g. from your audio field recorder/camera etc.) during import.. so you get exactly what you want in Logic without the need to search through the logic timeline to delete silent and unwanted tracks!! So its also a real time saver.

Supposedly there were supposed to be some improvements to the XML import on Logic's end with the last update 10.2.1. How much of an improvement I don't know. I actually haven't tried it out myself.

It would be nice if at least all the big problems were fixed, but I wouldn't be surprised if no one can see much of a difference.

Ditto...