Hollywood and cameras

I know the choice of NLEs in Hollywood is a more typical topic in this forum but for what it's worth here's an interesting tidbit on the camera of choice - at least this year - for Oscar-nominated films. www.indiewire.com/article/here-are-the-c...=sailthru_newsletter

Not surprising. And Hollywood is only a small part of the entire film world. 80% of what we get in post was shot on Arri.

- Ronny

And less and less on film. Kodak is trying to cut deals with the studios, but I think it's too late.

Kodak signed the deal with several major Hollywood studios earlier this month. It guaranties a certain amount of film to be bought by the studios.

- Andreas

Andreas Kiel wrote: Kodak signed the deal with several major Hollywood studios earlier this month.

Hmmm?....
In the days chemical was your only option, very, I mean very little productions cared for those details, which are know discussed ad nauseam, don't they?

Secondly, the actual look of cinema is extremely processed, my best example is TRAFFIC ( Douglas, Torres, etc), all scenes in Mexico for example are plain yellow - nobody cared for skin 'tones', those segments are b/ y.

And when CGI orgies of Mr Abrahms or Nolan are done 65mm Kodak - hey, what for? 99% of cinemas cannot project that 'quality', even most Imax use 2k projectors - as any other cinema.

To find a DoP able to handle chemical great!
But it reminds me very much about discussions of audiophilies, debating how to insert the power plug, or using green felt markers to color CDs or to put cables into freezers before first use.

A Zakuto Shootout, chem vs digital side by side AFTER grading and applying v/fx would be interesting......

I know, but I view the deal as little more than a loan, and I don't think it's going to save them unless they can move on as a company.

I think they're just buying time to develop digital products that will help them survive. They are well aware of the fact the last company to physically manufacture film motion picture cameras shut down a couple of years ago. So if no one is making new cameras, the time the existing ones have is limited. Not short, but still, limited. Repair/replacement parts prices I assume have shot up. So yea, buying time to build stuff they can survive the long-haul digital market better.

Also interesting, Kodak initiated this deal, not the film makers.

BenB wrote: I... They are well aware of the fact the last company to physically manufacture film motion picture cameras shut down a couple of years ago...

Didn't know ARRI shut down

- Andreas

Andreas Kiel wrote: Didn't know ARRI shut down

The sad story about Kodak is:
They cumulated 70y of experience, and 'out of nowhere' a tiny cam manufacturer, BlackMagic, gives a tool like DaVinci awaay for free!

Imagine, same tool would be "Kodak-d" .... For 49.99 .... Nobody would have hesitate to purchase it.
One of my teams soccer-moms were working in a Fuji laboratory..... Last one was closed 2y ago - no market for chem-movie anymore.....

No, some brands simply missed the train as we say in a German proverb.

Hopefully, the Keepers of Knowledge from such companies were able to transfer their knowledge to the next generations.

I started off this thread pointing out an article about cameras - digital and film. Of course, there's always been a healthy debate about the merits of film vs digital for image capture - but not so much actually about mechanical film editing vs. NLEs. I'm not sure there's much of a case to be made about choosing flatbeds vs computers for editing - other than preference which is valid enough. And I started off editing on flatbeds. Then I just read this: www.theguardian.com/film/2013/oct/29/pix...nalogue-editing-tape

Andreas Kiel wrote:

BenB wrote: I... They are well aware of the fact the last company to physically manufacture film motion picture cameras shut down a couple of years ago...

Didn't know ARRI shut down

- Andreas

No one makes a "film" camera any more for motion pictures. They make "digital film" cameras, but the ones that use celluloid film, no factory making those anymore.
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