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Mirror effect question
31 Dec 2013 02:42 #37716
by Sunne718
Mirror effect question was created by Sunne718
How was this mirror effect done in this short film
Begins at 0:50 and goes to 1:14
Begins at 0:50 and goes to 1:14
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31 Dec 2013 03:16 #37717
by geoffb
Replied by geoffb on topic Mirror effect question
Since the two images of the actor don't ever intersect, I'd guess they just shot the two versions then split the screen down the middle. The lighting is soft enough that they could do that without shadows becoming an issue.
It's possible that something more elaborate was done (ie, the mirror was really a green screen), but my money's on the simpler answer. Occum's Razor.
It's possible that something more elaborate was done (ie, the mirror was really a green screen), but my money's on the simpler answer. Occum's Razor.
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31 Dec 2013 07:59 - 31 Dec 2013 08:01 #37723
by Karsten Schlüter
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I'm with Geoff - that's a split or perhaps a simple mask:
When you look closely, you'll notice in the mirror's bevel some reflections of his white tee (arrows) - so, this part is a full-frame recording of the scenery. Due to he's reaching forward, the split has to be somewhere along the dotted line = 'natural' border tiles in background would hide any technical borders.
Or some soft feathered, oval shaped mask.
No rocket science
btw: watching bored rich children is … boring ...
nice camera work.-
When you look closely, you'll notice in the mirror's bevel some reflections of his white tee (arrows) - so, this part is a full-frame recording of the scenery. Due to he's reaching forward, the split has to be somewhere along the dotted line = 'natural' border tiles in background would hide any technical borders.
Or some soft feathered, oval shaped mask.
No rocket science
btw: watching bored rich children is … boring ...
nice camera work.-
Last edit: 31 Dec 2013 08:01 by Karsten Schlüter.
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31 Dec 2013 15:09 #37731
by Sunne718
Replied by Sunne718 on topic Mirror effect question
With that being understood how can I shoot one person in the center of a semicircle of mirrors with each mirror displaying something different. See the attached diagram. Sorry it's kind of crappy I did it with my kids crayons
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31 Dec 2013 15:11 #37732
by Sunne718
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See the diagram I posted. Your input is appreciated.
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31 Dec 2013 16:46 - 31 Dec 2013 16:49 #37744
by Karsten Schlüter
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Well, basically the same as the original example:
• Your cam needs a rock-solid position (tripod + weights)
• Position of cam and mirrors allow to see the WHOLE scenery: person, mirrors, AND reflections: this means, the mirrors have to stand NOT the way, the actor sees himself, but the cam see the reflection! … that's the tricky part with ANY mirror-scene: the actor has to act like he's seeing himself in the glas - but he will only see the cam in the mirror!
• make as much recordings as mirrors +1
#1 for showing the actor
#2 -#4 for the action in mirrors
• in compositing, mask the mirrors, stack each track over the others, synch action ...
a bit fiddly, but easy - as long, as you don't need interaction btw each mirror! then, you/r actor needs timing! for example, actor talks to mirror#1, reflection#2-#4 just watch; then mirror#2 talks to mirror#3… etc etc ... that needs perfect timing of talent!
… but from point of 'visualFX' that is simple .........
• Your cam needs a rock-solid position (tripod + weights)
• Position of cam and mirrors allow to see the WHOLE scenery: person, mirrors, AND reflections: this means, the mirrors have to stand NOT the way, the actor sees himself, but the cam see the reflection! … that's the tricky part with ANY mirror-scene: the actor has to act like he's seeing himself in the glas - but he will only see the cam in the mirror!
• make as much recordings as mirrors +1
#1 for showing the actor
#2 -#4 for the action in mirrors
• in compositing, mask the mirrors, stack each track over the others, synch action ...
a bit fiddly, but easy - as long, as you don't need interaction btw each mirror! then, you/r actor needs timing! for example, actor talks to mirror#1, reflection#2-#4 just watch; then mirror#2 talks to mirror#3… etc etc ... that needs perfect timing of talent!
… but from point of 'visualFX' that is simple .........
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31 Dec 2013 16:52 #37747
by Sunne718
Replied by Sunne718 on topic Mirror effect question
How about if each mirror had a different person in them?
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31 Dec 2013 17:19 #37750
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record actor#1 in scenery, get out of scenery, put actor#2 in set, etc etc.
but…
The ILLUSION, it is a mirror means, those rectangles/'frames' have to be established as 'mirrors'! That's clever done in your original example: bath-room = a well known place for mirrors, first part shows mirror reflecting = what a mirror usually does. - THEN the magic begins....
If you 'built' a set of mirrors = what kind of room is that?? At a taylor shop? middle-age ballroom? The Avengers/DrWho-set from the 60ies??
To establish the illusion "this are 4 mirrors", you FIRST need an establishing scene showing exactly that: a mirror doing its job: reflecting like a mirror ; just then you can start with movie-magic.
… otherwise, your audience will not realize, these are not windows or a few flat screens … but magic-mirrors.
Replied by Karsten Schlüter on topic Mirror effect question
Sunne718 wrote: How about if each mirror had a different person in them?
record actor#1 in scenery, get out of scenery, put actor#2 in set, etc etc.
but…
The ILLUSION, it is a mirror means, those rectangles/'frames' have to be established as 'mirrors'! That's clever done in your original example: bath-room = a well known place for mirrors, first part shows mirror reflecting = what a mirror usually does. - THEN the magic begins....
If you 'built' a set of mirrors = what kind of room is that?? At a taylor shop? middle-age ballroom? The Avengers/DrWho-set from the 60ies??
To establish the illusion "this are 4 mirrors", you FIRST need an establishing scene showing exactly that: a mirror doing its job: reflecting like a mirror ; just then you can start with movie-magic.
… otherwise, your audience will not realize, these are not windows or a few flat screens … but magic-mirrors.
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