These articles make me mad

Another example of Adobe guerrilla marketing?

www.bavc.org/bavc-blog/intern-edit-2013-fcpx-vs-premiere

Another one. But I don't care anymore. Makes me more en more dedicated to FCPX!

Premiere maintains the layout that professionals have been using since first beginning to edit on home computers, and one could feasibly switch from Final Cut 7 to Premiere CS6 with minimal issues.

...So to judge a new way of doing things as being worthy, it needs to be like the old way?

I can laugh this one off.

I expect we'll see more of these leading to the new FCPX release later this year. I stopped reading on the last line of the second paragraph where they say something about only little prior knowledge of FC7.

Are you kidding? It's a great article! I love when people judge me based on my familiarity and how my birth went. I guess if you're unique and have a rough start you don't have a chance in that community.

That's not a good test since FCPX is only a powerful tool once you know how to use it. Sure, if you are coming in with no understanding of it then of course it won't win a "battle" like this. This place is basically like a kind of school for people who want to make videos, yet they don't want to bother having people learn to use new things?

This company isn't that big of a deal either. They don't pay well and they would actually be better off with FCPX since their structure depends on grants to get their work done. So now instead of paying a one time fee, they are going to pay monthly with grant money provided by tax payers and donors.


EDIT: Just watched their videos... That's how they tested the programs?

I don't even care anymore, I just hate the fact that I feel like I can't go work anywhere else because everyone hates Apple and FCPX so much for some reason, I just don't get it. I've spent the whole summer working my butt off with FCPX and I feel very confident that I am almost at the level where I've mastered everything. But when there's something I don't know I come to this forum and someone replies almost instantly. And the best thing about that is everyone here is professional with the way they speak and talk to each other. Man, I don't know what kind of forums I'd be in if I was using Premier.

And they base their buying decision on their interns' opinions? With the same non-sensical arguments that have been brought forth for over two years now?

I mean Premiere CS6 is to me what FCP8 should a been, but it still is a curse to work with compared to FCP X. I only use it when I'm absolutely forced to.

Well I posted a reply, I'm not sure if anyone else wants to. I live in the bay area and challenged them to a real premiere vs fcpx challenge, so we'll see how that goes.

The replies are not made public, so only they seem to be able to see them. And after reading this completely nonsensical article I only can imagine someone must have given them a couple of old CS6 licenses for free if they would publish this crap. I repeat: some people seem to be getting very nervous about the coming new version of FCPX

- Ronny

"I repeat: some people seem to be getting very nervous about the coming new version of FCPX "

Interesting isn't it. You know what they should be nervous about? iMovie. I've been playing around with it and, in addition to it having been updated and probably rewritten, it's insanely easy to make really good looking stuff in. And check out the Trailer templates. It's nuts. We've all joked about having an "Edit" button so the app can cut for you, then you just tweak it. iMovie kinda does that. Crazy.

Anyway, the "next generation" is probably going to learn to cut on this, and apps like Pr and MC are going to seem like trying to run an OS via the terminal. FCPX, with it's very friendly interface, but really powerful features underneath is, like it or not, the NLE of the future. I can think of a couple companies that probably don't like it.

And, related to the OP, Notice how the Premiere version of the cut didn't properly scale the baby movie to the sequence aspect ratio? Cuz, you know, you have to be a "pro" to do that... lol

LOL!!

I have been playing around with iMovie X as well. Never thought I would ever do this

Very interesting indeed.

- Ronny

These articles don't make me mad. I'd be more likely to be upset by a fanboyish forum comment than a fanboyish article. I MUCH prefer both FCP7 and FCPX to Adobe Premiere but even Apple fanboys upset me when they go to great lengths to defend any perceived flaw in their beloved Final Cut Pro.

Redifer wrote: These articles don't make me mad. I'd be more likely to be upset by a fanboyish forum comment than a fanboyish article. I MUCH prefer both FCP7 and FCPX to Adobe Premiere but even Apple fanboys upset me when they go to great lengths to defend any perceived flaw in their beloved Final Cut Pro.

Totally agree. X has plenty of flaws, no show stoppers for me, but they exist. Anyone who says otherwise shouldn't be taken seriously IMO...

Exactly what I said on an other forum. Every application has its flaws and it's only by exposing these flaws that we can urge the developers to make the apps better.

OTOH a totally biased forum comment can be set right by other people on the forum. These people just put absolute nonsense on the internet and they don't allow other people to react publicly. That's the worst kind of fanboyism.

- Ronny

What baffles me is that all the FCPX bashing in favour of Premiere seem to forget a time where Premiere was considered amateur stuff in relation to Avid and others. Premiere got really good, but in looks and functionality it still is more of an Avid clone than something original.

Anyone who lets bashing of a certain product influence their decision on which NLE they use is in all probability not a very good editor. Try them for yourself and then use what works best FOR YOU! For me, FCPX works best for 90% of the stuff I do. I have one show where FCP7 is needed because the way it handles SD interlaced files on videogames that FCPX simply can't do without massive workarounds.

Personally I find these kinds of bash FCP X articles horrific. One of the best articles that I ever read about the FCP X situation which some how rings more true today than ever :

funwithstuff.com/blog/?p=946

The article is almost 2 years old!

Phhh, someone who understands how the world works, what's that doing on the Internet?

FCPX was a big change and people hate change, but man, it's been over two years and they still haven't gotten over it.

Earlier today I was reading about the new iMovie and seeing some drastic changes that might be applied to FCPX, like how there isn't even a main storyline, everything is just floating. This got me thinking about how Apple works and how they gradually make really dramatic changes, even though FCPX was a dramatic change, what if version one was just the tip of the iceberg and there's even more dramatic change coming? What if this next version is the second stage of the grand rewriting of the software?

I don't know, I'm just getting impatient for the update and feel like one of the easiest ways to get people interested in it again is to do something really major.

It's still October isn't it? This is going to be a long two months.

"the new iMovie and seeing some drastic changes that might be applied to FCPX, like how there isn't even a main storyline, everything is just floating."

This is how iMove has always been, there is only one main storyline, and *everything* not in it is connected. Transitions can only be applied to the "main" clips. There may or may not be some drastic changes to X, but I don't think the iMove timeline is one of them. Having said that... the new iMovie is pretty cool...

It certainly is, and it's blazing fast. I call it FCPXpress lol. Here's a TL I have been playing around with:



Multiple layers of native 1080p30 MPEG4 or H.264 with retiming and other effects, transitions and titles on top and multiple audio lanes play realtime without any hiccups on the most basic Mini with 2 GB RAM. Baffling.

- Ronny