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FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
12 Aug 2013 00:10 #29750
by Matthew
FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP? was created by Matthew
I edit a lot of music videos. Multicam works great for this. In Premiere there is a multicam record feature. It worked just like FCP for the first pass when there were no edit points yet. But if I wanted to go back and "live edit" a small section I could do that and it would behave just like the first pass. With FCP If I have 5 cuts, and I hit play, then I option click to replace say cut2 as it plays back, that cut ends at cut 3 no matter what. Premiere would keep cut 2 until I stopped playing or clicked another angle. Is this possible to do in FCP Multi cam? Thanks!
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12 Aug 2013 02:41 - 12 Aug 2013 02:41 #29753
by BenB
Replied by BenB on topic FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
Of im following you correctly, after you've done your live edit, you can simply place the playhead over an angle, click the angle you want to change it to. Playback is creating new edits, not replacing angles.
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12 Aug 2013 03:08 #29755
by Matthew
Replied by Matthew on topic FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
Right, but I can't do another live edit. If I try to it just inserts new edits next to all the old ones and that gets sloppy. PP records whatever the active angle is to the timeline. It will record over any edits previously made.
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12 Aug 2013 08:30 #29761
by Seanus
Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011
Replied by Seanus on topic FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
You're not editing in the angle editor are you?
Work flow is create multiclip. Edit it into a project. Make your cuts.
Work flow is create multiclip. Edit it into a project. Make your cuts.
Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011
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12 Aug 2013 10:41 #29766
by Matthew
Replied by Matthew on topic FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
Thats how im doing it. Im getting by. Its just a bit more difficult.
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12 Aug 2013 10:45 - 12 Aug 2013 10:53 #29767
by ronny courtens
Replied by ronny courtens on topic FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
You can do exactly the same in FCPX multicam, only better 
I agree that for specific jobs, like music videos, recutting parts of your multiclip "live" is much better than manually changing individual cuts on the timeline. When you cut "live" while playing the timeline you keep the feeling of your music and your cuts will be more natural. Here's how this works in FCPX:
1. Adding new cuts live
By default FCPX will not delete any existing cuts when you recut while playing the multiclip. This is perfect if you only want to recut a very specific part of your multiclip and you absolutely don't want to lose any other existing cuts. Your new cuts are just added to the existing ones and you can use the Delete key to manually delete any cuts you don't want to preserve, or you can Roll the cuts. But, like you say, this can lead to a clutter of new cuts and old ones that you don't want.
2. Re-recording cuts live
If you want to recut a segment of your multiclip live and you don't care about overwriting cuts you have made in the first pass: play your multiclip and just hold the OPTION key while you are recutting. You will see your cuts happening in the Viewer while you play. When you stop playback your new cuts will replace any existing ones on the timeline. That's how it works in PP and FCP7 as well.
The downside of this method is that when you stop playback all the cuts of your first pass are gone. If you cut a lot of concerts or music videos you know that there are always these "oops" moments when you do a recut and you realize that some cuts in the first pass were better. You can Undo every new cut, but if the issue is in the middle of your recut you will lose every new cut that is behind it. In comes the third solution:
3. Recutting live with versions
This is something undocumented.
A. Select the first clip of the part of your multiclip you want to recut and press CMD+UP Arrow to lift it from the Primary Storyline. When the clip is above the Storyline stretch it out until it covers the entire part of the multiclip you want to recut.
B. Press CMD+Down Arrow to Overwrite the clip back to the Primary Storyline. If you would do this with a normal clip it would now overwrite every clip that was on the Storyline. But not with multiclips! When you press CMD+Down Arrow the clip will move to the Storyline and all the cut clips of your first pass will be pushed under the Storyline.
C. Now you can recut the clip on the Storyline without holding the OPT key and when you have finished recutting you can compare the your new cuts with the first ones that are under your Storyline. If there is a part of the new cuts you want to replace back with the old ones, just select the old clips under the Storyline and press CMD+Down Arrow. The bad new cuts will be replaced by the good old ones. Best of both worlds.
-Ronny
I agree that for specific jobs, like music videos, recutting parts of your multiclip "live" is much better than manually changing individual cuts on the timeline. When you cut "live" while playing the timeline you keep the feeling of your music and your cuts will be more natural. Here's how this works in FCPX:
1. Adding new cuts live
By default FCPX will not delete any existing cuts when you recut while playing the multiclip. This is perfect if you only want to recut a very specific part of your multiclip and you absolutely don't want to lose any other existing cuts. Your new cuts are just added to the existing ones and you can use the Delete key to manually delete any cuts you don't want to preserve, or you can Roll the cuts. But, like you say, this can lead to a clutter of new cuts and old ones that you don't want.
2. Re-recording cuts live
If you want to recut a segment of your multiclip live and you don't care about overwriting cuts you have made in the first pass: play your multiclip and just hold the OPTION key while you are recutting. You will see your cuts happening in the Viewer while you play. When you stop playback your new cuts will replace any existing ones on the timeline. That's how it works in PP and FCP7 as well.
The downside of this method is that when you stop playback all the cuts of your first pass are gone. If you cut a lot of concerts or music videos you know that there are always these "oops" moments when you do a recut and you realize that some cuts in the first pass were better. You can Undo every new cut, but if the issue is in the middle of your recut you will lose every new cut that is behind it. In comes the third solution:
3. Recutting live with versions
This is something undocumented.
A. Select the first clip of the part of your multiclip you want to recut and press CMD+UP Arrow to lift it from the Primary Storyline. When the clip is above the Storyline stretch it out until it covers the entire part of the multiclip you want to recut.
B. Press CMD+Down Arrow to Overwrite the clip back to the Primary Storyline. If you would do this with a normal clip it would now overwrite every clip that was on the Storyline. But not with multiclips! When you press CMD+Down Arrow the clip will move to the Storyline and all the cut clips of your first pass will be pushed under the Storyline.
C. Now you can recut the clip on the Storyline without holding the OPT key and when you have finished recutting you can compare the your new cuts with the first ones that are under your Storyline. If there is a part of the new cuts you want to replace back with the old ones, just select the old clips under the Storyline and press CMD+Down Arrow. The bad new cuts will be replaced by the good old ones. Best of both worlds.
-Ronny
Last edit: 12 Aug 2013 10:53 by ronny courtens.
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12 Aug 2013 10:58 #29769
by Matthew
Replied by Matthew on topic FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
You're the best! thanks!
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12 Aug 2013 11:06 #29770
by Matthew
Replied by Matthew on topic FCP Multicam - Missing Record Feature of PP?
Ronny what would you suggest doing for audio with this method (BTW i think its cmd + opt + UP) When I put two multi clips on the stoyline it doubles up on the audio.
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12 Aug 2013 11:13 #29771
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Sorry, I will have to get back to you later on this, up to a meeting now.
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12 Aug 2013 13:26 #29776
by ronny courtens
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Sorry for the delay. Group-select the clips under the Stoyline and press V on the selection to temporarily disable these clips while you make your new cuts.
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