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Kerned type in video exports as un-kerned!?

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11 Mar 2013 21:00 - 11 Mar 2013 21:04 #22454 by Editor d
Using the a simple basic type clip, I have made it look nice, kerned, sized, and animated etc. When I export the video it's not kerned anymore. The size, face, outline, and animation are all correct but the kerning is gone. WTF?

I've tried the basic fixes such as trashed prefs, deleting render files on both event and project. Not sure what else I can try. Anyone ever had this?

I'm using a iMac 3.4GHz on 10.8.2 with FCP X 10.0.7
The type layer is just the basic type from FCP X.
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11 Mar 2013 21:15 - 11 Mar 2013 21:57 #22456 by Editor d
I tried opening the project on my laptop and the type now looks un-kerned in the project. So somehow what I'm seeing on screen in FCP X on my iMac is incorrect. I'm guessing I need to uninstall and reinstall?

UPDATE: A complete reinstall has made no improvement. I am stumped and aggravated.
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11 Mar 2013 22:20 #22459 by BenB
I just tried to duplicate this, and it exports fine for me. What specific title template are you using? How specifically are you exporting?

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12 Mar 2013 00:03 #22468 by Editor d
I am using the regular "basic" type in the type menu. Just exporting a regular master Prores file.

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12 Mar 2013 12:38 #22501 by Tom Wolsky
Please can you give exact details of font, font type, and size.

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12 Mar 2013 14:14 - 12 Mar 2013 14:18 #22505 by Editor d
The type is Bank Gothic med, size is 350, face is black and outline is red. I used a basic title from the title menu. Here are before and after screen shots. All I did was export a master file in prores then opened it up in QT and you can see the difference.

( I covered my event name with green just ignore that. )
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12 Mar 2013 15:34 #22507 by BenB
I'm duplicating this, and everything works fine for me.
I'd delete pref files and all render files.
When you did your reinstall, did you run "FCS Remover" first?

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12 Mar 2013 19:42 #22520 by Editor d
I did not run FCP remover. I did follow Apple's page on deleting FCP completely though. I can try FCP remover. I have deleted all prefs twice now and render files as well. This is really bizarre.

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12 Mar 2013 20:37 - 12 Mar 2013 20:38 #22525 by Editor d

BenB wrote: I'm duplicating this, and everything works fine for me.
I'd delete pref files and all render files.
When you did your reinstall, did you run "FCS Remover" first?


I did another full reinstall after using FCS Remover. The problem is still there.
I made a new project and new event just to try that and still the kerning is gone on export!
This time I just used the basic type clip with helvetica. Here are two more images of "before in FCP X" and after exporting a master file (or any file for that matter) opened in QT. This happens with any type of any kind!
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13 Mar 2013 12:55 #22545 by anickt
You are not crazy! I was able to replicate this on my system in a quick test. I do not have time to investigate further right now but something is happening that shouldn't. When I get a chance I will look into it.

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13 Mar 2013 12:58 - 13 Mar 2013 13:34 #22546 by Editor d

anickt wrote: You are not crazy! I was able to replicate this on my system in a quick test. I do not have time to investigate further right now but something is happening that shouldn't. When I get a chance I will look into it.


I'm not alone! Thanks. I hope we figure this out soon. My work has come to a complete halt right now. My only option is to make all my type in PS first. What a PITA.

UPDATE: This is happening on my laptop too! I made a new event and project added a basic type clip, kerned it in obvious ways to see a huge difference, then after exporting/sharing it to a master file the type is not kerned at all! I'm starting to think I found a real glitch.

Now, if I put another line or two of type in there and adjust the line spacing or any other parameter the kern holds and does NOT "un-kern" itself on export. It's only when there is one line of type kerned out without touching any other parameters.
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13 Mar 2013 13:39 #22550 by FvH
FWIW: I checked it on my system (iMac/10.8.2/FCPX 10.0.7); new event, new project, one line of text. Everything worked fine, no glitches. Sounds mysterious.

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14 Mar 2013 13:58 #22603 by Editor d
After doing full reinstalls and pref trashes, I'm not quite sure what else I can try.
Right now my work around is to simply change the line or baseline by 1 and it then it works fine. It's only when I only adjust kerning that it doesn't hold on export. I can also quit FCP X and open the project up and the kerning is gone again.

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14 Mar 2013 14:20 - 14 Mar 2013 14:20 #22608 by BenB
I know this was a known bug a few versions back, but was fixed.

At my users group meeting Wed night I had the folks who brought their laptops try this out, no one had this problem, everyone was on 10.0.7. Very odd, I'm stumped.

Fill out the feedback page, let Apple know!
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14 Mar 2013 14:25 #22612 by Editor d
Yeah I'm on the latest of both the OS and FCP X. it's very strange. I'll let them know. Thanks for trying it out.

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10 Apr 2013 02:09 #24158 by dinerdog
I am having this same problem on a project. FCPX 10.0.7 and Mountain Lion on a MacPro. I have a problem with certain letters before the letter "A". I fix it, it looks fine, I can sometimes close and open again, but after exporting the export and FCPX are un-kerned again. I paste a name and retype the offending letters, or even delete an re-title and the same problem. Aaarrgghh. The font is Retro Italics from dafont.com.

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