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Multicam Match Frame

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23 Jan 2013 21:23 #20300 by Dave_EP
Multicam Match Frame was created by Dave_EP
I have a long multi cam that needs a little tweak from things like stabilisation in some very small sections (just a few seconds long).

It appears that once you've edited the multicam, you can't apply stabilisation to any of the 'cuts', only to the long source clip as a whole (which for various reasons is not going to work).

This can be got around by blading the source multicam at the appropriate places, so you're only stabilising the bits you really need, but I can't find a way of doing a match frame to get back to the right point in the source multicam. (In Premiere Pro you can do a shift-T to get to the right place in the multicam source).

While I can select the 'cut clip' and hit shift-F, it highlights the in/out in the event browser and there seems no way to show this within the multicam compound clip instead, so that I can accurately blade there.

Any suggestions for easy workarounds? It looks like I've got 20-30 of these to do and it's going to be a major PITA!

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23 Jan 2013 21:41 #20303 by BenB
Replied by BenB on topic Multicam Match Frame
I normally, before creating the multicam, open a clip into its own timeline from the Browser, apply stablization as you need it.
Then I create the multicam clip.

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23 Jan 2013 21:47 - 23 Jan 2013 21:47 #20304 by Dave_EP
Replied by Dave_EP on topic Multicam Match Frame
Thanks Ben, but this is 8 cameras & 87 mins. Applying a global stabilisation isn't going to work because some of the cameras deliberately move during that time and it really screws up the stabilisation (I get a postage stamp!).

Besides, it also takes forever to stabilise that much, especially when it's not needed. Stabilising footage you never use (because it didn't make the cut) bogs things down.

Just like color, I'd rather only do the bits I need, hence the need to go back and find 3 or 4 seconds of footage that 'did' make the cut within the multicam source.
Last edit: 23 Jan 2013 21:47 by Dave_EP.

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23 Jan 2013 22:24 #20306 by BenB
Replied by BenB on topic Multicam Match Frame
Exactly as I said, and blade out the segments you need to stabilize.

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23 Jan 2013 22:34 #20307 by Dave_EP
Replied by Dave_EP on topic Multicam Match Frame
Thanks for the suggestion, but it sounds like you are advocating looking through 8x87 mins (a total of 697 mins) of footage looking for tiny movements that I may, or may not, need to stabilise 'if' that tiny section also happens to be in the final cut? Hmmm.....

The best solution I have come up with so far is to copy all the tracks from the source multicam in to the edited multicam project. Place them above the cut multicam clips and disable them. When I find something that needs stabilising I can blade around the appropriate track, enable it, stabilise that section only and move on.

This means I only ever need to go through the 87 minutes of 'cut' clips and FCPX only needs to analyse tiny sections that are actually needed.

Once completed I can delete the unused parts of the superimposed tracks and move the stabilised clips down to the main story line.

If any one has a faster / better way, please let me know!

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23 Jan 2013 22:52 - 23 Jan 2013 23:00 #20308 by Seanus
Replied by Seanus on topic Multicam Match Frame
Right click on the shot in the timeline than needs fixing.
Right click and select "open in angle editor" this will take you to your multicam clip at the exact point. If for some reason it doesn't, open the Angle Editor, go to settings and turn on Timecode. This will show you where you need to go in the Multiclip.
Get out the Blade tool.
Blade your clip where you want stabilisation to start and finish.
Select section.
Open inspector and apply Stabilisation.
Go back to your Project.

Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011
Last edit: 23 Jan 2013 23:00 by Seanus.

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23 Jan 2013 22:59 #20309 by Dave_EP
Replied by Dave_EP on topic Multicam Match Frame

Seanus wrote: Right click on the shot in the timeline than needs fixing.
Right click and select "open in angle editor" this will take you to your multicam clip at the exact point.
Get out the Blade tool.
Blade your clip where you want stabilisation to start and finish.
Select section.
Open inspector and apply Stabilisation.
Go back to your Project.



That was my expectation of the workflow, but alas it doesn't seem to be working like that. My playhead is never on the frame I was on (either with playhead or skimmer) in the edit. In fact, it always opens up at the place the playhead was last at within the angle editor.

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23 Jan 2013 23:01 #20310 by Seanus
Replied by Seanus on topic Multicam Match Frame
Open the Angle Viewer and go to settings and turn on "Timecode".
This will show you where you need to go in the Angle Editor.

Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011

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23 Jan 2013 23:11 - 23 Jan 2013 23:12 #20311 by Dave_EP
Replied by Dave_EP on topic Multicam Match Frame

Seanus wrote: Open the Angle Viewer and go to settings and turn on "Timecode".
This will show you where you need to go in the Angle Editor.


Another nice try :)

Timecode in sequence, 00:59:13:14.

Timecode in the angle view starts at 14:15:34:19 ;)

But that's OK because I changed the start timecode of the project to the same and that works.... even though I have to note down two lots of timecode and enter them manually :(

Thanks Seanus!
Last edit: 23 Jan 2013 23:12 by Dave_EP.

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23 Jan 2013 23:15 #20312 by Seanus
Replied by Seanus on topic Multicam Match Frame
Yes that's right the timecode in the angle viewer tells you where to go in the angle editor.
I've just tried it and it work perfectly.

Remember your a blading the Multicam Clip not the project

Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011

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23 Jan 2013 23:44 #20315 by Dave_EP
Replied by Dave_EP on topic Multicam Match Frame
Yes. That was always the plan - to cut in the angle viewer and only stabilise the small section I needed.

Shame they don't have a Shift-T like Premiere that puts the playhead right on the frame :(

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24 Jan 2013 00:18 #20317 by Seanus
Replied by Seanus on topic Multicam Match Frame

Dave_EP wrote: Yes. That was always the plan - to cut in the angle viewer and only stabilise the small section I needed.

Shame they don't have a Shift-T like Premiere that puts the playhead right on the frame :(


Time to send some feedback me thinks. ;)

Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011

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24 Jan 2013 20:09 #20353 by Dave_EP
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.....and a small bug report too.

If you (mistakenly) put a reject flag on the multi cam clip in the event browser, when you right click in the project and try open in the angle viewer it doesn't open the right multicam.

One of the guys did that here today and it had me going for a while!

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24 Jan 2013 20:22 #20354 by BenB
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That is interesting. I can't duplicate that flag but.

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