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Changing starting Time Code in 10.0.6

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01 Nov 2012 12:26 #16366 by sg335man
Hello I am new to the world of FCPX and this site. I have 10.0.6 Can anybody tell me if you can change the starting hour when using the Time Code Generator for example 00:00:00:00 to 01:00:00:00 etc. and how to to that? Thanks SG335man

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01 Nov 2012 12:51 #16367 by ronny courtens
You cannot do that using the Time Code Reader that is included in FCP10. However, Leo Hans made this excellent Time Code Reader effect that you can download for free from his website:

finalcutargentina.blogspot.be/2011/07/ti...tuito-para-fcpx.html

Intall the entire downloaded folder in your Movies > Motion Templates > Effects folder and it will show up in your Effect Browser when you launch FCP10. Drop the effect on your clip and in the Inspector you will be able to change the starting hour by entering a new start time in the Offset window.

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01 Nov 2012 13:07 #16369 by Tom Wolsky
The generator follows the timecode of the project. Set the project start time to 1:00:00:00 non-drop and the generator will start there. Or use Ronny solution.

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01 Nov 2012 13:11 #16370 by ronny courtens
Tom is correct. In most cases you will want the burnt-in time code to reflect the exact time code of the project you are exporting. Changing the Project start time is a better solution than offsetting your tc reader.

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01 Nov 2012 13:28 #16372 by sg335man
Thank you so much for your help. May I ask where to change the project start time? Thank you Sg335man

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01 Nov 2012 13:32 #16374 by BenB
People still start TC for edits at 1 hour? Really?

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01 Nov 2012 13:33 #16376 by sg335man
Thanks everybody I found out where to change the Project start time. Again Thanks SG335Man

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01 Nov 2012 13:36 #16378 by ronny courtens
Glad you have found it. And welcome to the forum.

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01 Nov 2012 14:11 #16382 by Disproportionate Pictures

BenB wrote: People still start TC for edits at 1 hour? Really?


I still start my default my sequences at 09;59;58;00. Old habits die hard.

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01 Nov 2012 14:26 - 01 Nov 2012 14:31 #16388 by BenB
For what purpose? Why not start at zero? Just curious. I mean, no one is cutting negatives, so what's the point?
Last edit: 01 Nov 2012 14:31 by BenB.

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01 Nov 2012 14:34 #16393 by peteramwiggins
Ben,

Us old editors come from a tape background. In the UK we still start a broadcast programme at 10:00:00:00 in fact you can have tapes rejected for not starting at that code.

Why?

Well the main reason was tape machines used to have external machines slaved to them. If you rolled back beyond 00:00:00:00 as you had to put a 30 second clock & two minutes of bars & tone in first- then the slave would go forward not backwards.

benefits? It gives an easy readout of hours. Easy to see a sub reel or master reel when looking at an EDL etc etc

The rumours of the 09:57:00:00 striping of a tape happening as BBC editors came in to work and used TOD timecode before going to breakfast I have been told isn't true. :)

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01 Nov 2012 14:36 - 01 Nov 2012 14:38 #16394 by Disproportionate Pictures
I usually drop a 2 second slug at the top of my sequences. I find a couple seconds at the top and tail of a sequence is usually good for client review. They're sure they haven't missed anything at the beginning, and it doesn't end abruptly.

But this way my program still starts on an even 0 hour. As to why program start is 10hrs instead of 1hr. Just habit from the tape days where everything was mastered to BetaSP.

No one sees it but me now, so there's no harm that I can imagine.
Last edit: 01 Nov 2012 14:38 by Disproportionate Pictures.

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01 Nov 2012 15:09 - 01 Nov 2012 15:11 #16400 by BenB
I know why it was done with celluloid film and old tape based systems, but why would anyone use it with a digital workflow? I can see using a slug, oops, sorry, a "gap clip" at the head and tail, but I include those in my TC reader. I consider them part of the final product. But I can see using an offset for that. But other than as an offset for a gap clip at the head, why?

I guess old habits do die hard some times. It is the only issue I have as a trainer. Some folks come in to a class asking how FCP X does stuff in the same manner as legacy FCP or PPro or MC. I have to tell them we're not in Kansas anymore little girls, we're learning a NEW way to do things.

I think this also contributes to the hard time we have getting others to take a reasonable look at FCP X. They ask, "why can't I do xyz?" Well, you CAN, just not in the same way, it's a different workflow.

All my projects start at zero, TC really doesn't do much for me now. Except as an overlay for a proxy version a client or director is reviewing. But I can see situations like gap clips at the head. Old workflows, new tools...

BTW, the built-in Timecode Reader by Leo Hans adds the offset. Highly recommend it over the built-in Timecode Reader generator in FCP X.
Last edit: 01 Nov 2012 15:11 by BenB.

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01 Nov 2012 16:01 - 01 Nov 2012 16:07 #16408 by ronny courtens
This has nothing to do with old habits or whatsoever. Broadcast stations require you to comply with their technical specifications when you send out masters to them. And many of the spec sheets of our regular clients require program time code to start at either 1:00:00:00 or 10:00:00:00, wether this is tape based or file based delivery (see attached specs for BBC, ITV and Channel 4 as per May 2012). I don't care why, that's not my problem. The only thing I know is that when you send a tape or a digital file that does not comply with these spec sheets it will be rejected by QC and returned to you. And if you think tape delivery is a thing from the past in the broadcast world: you couldn't be more wrong.

I know we all have our personal workflows and preferences, and that doesn't matter much when you are a one-man shop. But when you work for international networks you have to respect the existing conventions.

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01 Nov 2012 16:16 #16412 by BenB
Oh yeah, the broadcast network specs. I forgot about those. Most all the local stations I send to accept QT files that start at zero now. But yes, there's the stations still working in tape and stuff. I hope for a day with timecode is obsolete and we are all free. Or something like that. Is it the weekend yet?

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