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Rode videomic - camera mounted shotgun microphone

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07 Jul 2013 10:11 #28299 by Neguah
Have read some god reviews of this mic.
This mic is not for pro, or festival use. But I want a mic which I can afford(because I need some other stuff to).

I watched I review on Youtube, and it came with some hissing sound. I presume I can remove that in post?

This mic is meant to be a substitute for the build-in mic on my 5D. And since my project does not involve a sound guy, the mic is going to be attached to the camera. In other words, the person talking will be standing up to 2m from the mic. Is it duable?
And also, does the mic record voice from the side and back? I mean, if I'm shooting from behind, and the person is talking.

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07 Jul 2013 18:52 - 07 Jul 2013 19:00 #28303 by NewVideo
Neguah,
The problem won't be the mic so much as the fact that it's mounted on the camera. This is among the WORST places to mount a mic for quality sound pickup. Sound is physics. The farther the mic from the sound source the worse your signal to noise ratio will be. Even an inexpensive mic close to the source will outperform a more expensive mic that's farther away.

Any mic positioned at 2 meters - will be receiving a signal that's quite diminished compared to one that's very close to the sound source like a properly positioned lavillier. Whether the resulting sound is acceptable will be based on how loud the competing sounds in the environment are. In a quite room or outdoors on a quiet windless day, you might be fine. Standing in a crowd that's talking you can expect pretty terrible results.

Camera mounted mics are basically for recording ambient sound and for use when you have no other option. (If you MUST use them, go for a wide shot and get your camera as close as humanly possible to the talent!)

But don't expect a so-called "shotgun" mic to r
each out and grab the kind of very clean sound that you'd get from using a lav or a closely positioned boom mic or putting a handheld mic close to their mouth. That's just not how sound works.
Last edit: 07 Jul 2013 19:00 by NewVideo. Reason: Clrity

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07 Jul 2013 19:03 #28304 by Neguah

NewVideo wrote: Neguah,
The problem won't be the mic so much as the fact that it's mounted on the camera. This is among the WORST places to mount a mic for quality sound pickup. Sound is physics. The farther the mic from the sound source the worse your signal to noise ratio will be. Even an inexpensive mic close to the source will outperform a more expensive mic that's farther away.

Camera mounted mics are basically for recording ambient sound and for use when you have no other option. (If you MUST use them, go for a wide shot and get your camera as close as humanly possible to the talent!)

But don't expect a so-called "shotgun" mic to r
each out and grab the kind of very clean sound that you'd get from using a lav or a closely positioned boom mic or putting a handheld mic close to their mouth. That's just not how sound works.


Thank you for you comment!

I see the problem, and I now went from almost buying the Rode to not consider it.

I need a mic with 3.5 minijack. The cable should reach far so I can drag the mic from the camera to the talent. My limit is 200 dollar.
Do you have any recommendations?

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08 Jul 2013 00:52 #28310 by TonyBSyr
Used the Rode Mic on Panasonic TM;700 here for a Parade and it seemed fine:

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08 Jul 2013 03:34 #28313 by marchyman
Instead of recording in camera consider something like the Zoom H1 and a good lav. That is easily within your budget. Keep audio running on the camera as a sync source. Or do you have a specific need for audio-in-camera?

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08 Jul 2013 05:51 - 08 Jul 2013 05:53 #28316 by Karsten Schlüter

Neguah wrote: … the person talking will be standing up to 2m from the mic. Is it duable? …


all givin' advice so far is correct and helpful.
But … 

a) A Rode is plain 'better' then the built-in mic of your cam, esp. for recording an interview.

b) depending on, in which surrounding you're recording, it could work. or not. imagine for a second a factory, aside a pond, on a parade .... ;)

c) I just purchased a 4€ (four!) lavalier from eb@y - believe it or not: in most (!) cases, it delivers a better audio than my built-in mic! such a cheapo device. So, don't hesitate, invest for the price of a StarbucksCoffee into such a toy, and test it.

d) advice given - get as close a possible with your mic - is absolutely right. We humans are able to separate a speaker in a crowd - a mic not. but, in case of the parade, no differentiation needed. What about a quiet room? hmmm, 'echo'/reverb is your enemy :cheer:

e) 'interview' means for me a 'controlled' situation; consider a mic close to speaker + cable to cam; or, very handy devices the mentioned Zoom H1/2. Can be put on a tripod close to speaker… or, mentioned lavalier-mic. (pros, don't listen now: … ) I once used a second camera, very close to subject, as 'microphone'!

it depends very much on your recording situation.
Best practice: test your diff. options, before going 'hot'.
Last edit: 08 Jul 2013 05:53 by Karsten Schlüter.

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08 Jul 2013 06:44 - 08 Jul 2013 06:46 #28317 by Neguah
Thank you guys! Really very good feedback!

No, I don't need audio-in-camera. I just didn't think of syncing it, but of course thats a far better solution.

H1N looks fine, affordable as well.

I like the small mic which I can hide on clothes. But I'm thinking they are expensive..
Last edit: 08 Jul 2013 06:46 by Neguah.

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08 Jul 2013 07:14 #28319 by Karsten Schlüter

Neguah wrote: … I like the small mic which I can hide on clothes. But I'm thinking they are expensive..


… that's the Lavalier- or l-mics we are talking about.

There're really expensive ones.
(careful: the 'pro' ones need ext. power. 'phantom voltage'!)

Mine costs 4€ only... :ohmy:

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08 Jul 2013 10:46 #28328 by Neguah

Karsten Schlüter wrote:

Neguah wrote: … I like the small mic which I can hide on clothes. But I'm thinking they are expensive..


… that's the Lavalier- or l-mics we are talking about.

There're really expensive ones.
(careful: the 'pro' ones need ext. power. 'phantom voltage'!)

Mine costs 4€ only... :ohmy:

Looked at some of those on ebay. Cheap, yes. But on second thoughts, they need to be close to subjects mouth. And will therefor be seen.
Maybe a H1N is better? Just have a person to hold the H1N close to the subject. Better than build in mic.

Back to the Lavalier. There were loads of them on ebay. Could you be kind to roughly pick one for me?
Perhaps a wireless one will be better?

We're making a zoombie movie with the kids in my kindergarden. So, it's a low, very low budget movie. Using my equipment. Filming once a week - at work.

Made a film last year using the build in mic, filming with a $350 handycam.
I would love to show you that, but because it includes all the kids, I'm not allowed. I can only show it to you personally.

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