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Canon 60D turns off during filming

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06 Dec 2012 18:29 - 06 Dec 2012 18:34 #18283 by Neguah
Tried a friends camera, Canon 60D. After 12.22min of filming it shuts down. Tried one more time, and then it turned off after 11.45min.

Couldn´t fine anyting in the menu. Any advice?

Has this anything to do with the FAT32-limit of 4gb?
Can this be changed?
I´m filming a play, so I need it to be running longer then 12 minutes.

However, this is not a problem on the Legria HF R27.
Why not?
Last edit: 06 Dec 2012 18:34 by Neguah.

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06 Dec 2012 18:45 #18286 by jdm4given1
I have a Canon T3i and mine stops shooting around 12 mins. as well. When I researched this it is know that most DSLR models only shoot for 12 mins. Some shoot for 30 mins but not the one I have.

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06 Dec 2012 18:53 #18287 by Neguah

jdm4given1 wrote: I have a Canon T3i and mine stops shooting around 12 mins. as well. When I researched this it is know that most DSLR models only shoot for 12 mins. Some shoot for 30 mins but not the one I have.


I googled it, and it is because of the FAT32 format which has a limit of 4gb. That´s the problem with DSLR and filming. A lot of people don´t mind this limit, because most scene doesn´t last more than 2 minutes.
But I mind, so I think I need a camcorder with wide-angel like the 60D or 3Ti.

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06 Dec 2012 19:03 #18288 by jdm4given1
Be sure to get a wide angle lens that perform well in low light conditions. I have the T3i and a Canon 10-22mm wide angle and it is good but not great in low light video filming. I know that there are better for low light.

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06 Dec 2012 19:07 #18289 by Neguah

jdm4given1 wrote: Be sure to get a wide angle lens that perform well in low light conditions. I have the T3i and a Canon 10-22mm wide angle and it is good but not great in low light video filming. I know that there are better for low light.


I think I´m looking for a handycam, or something. Not DSLR. But I can find a video camera with similar wide angel as the T3i.

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06 Dec 2012 19:56 #18301 by simonpwood
The Magic Lantern hack can disable the time limit for shooting.

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07 Dec 2012 02:43 #18331 by BenB
It is not a FAT 32 limit. There are plenty of FAT 32 storage devices with cameras that record WAY more than 12 minutes at a time. I believe it is simply a buffer issue. It is a tiny one. But I don't buy the FAT 32 limit story, personally.

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07 Dec 2012 02:53 - 07 Dec 2012 04:39 #18332 by TrixTrax9000
I heard it was a legal restriction placed on European markets, so the camera can still remain in a specific category for import status that is fiscally attractive for manufacturers. Any camera that can record a scene longer than a specific time limit must be recategorized as a video camera, & thus subject to a different set of import restrictions. Since the limitation is controlled by software, this provides the opportunity for software (MagicLantern) to override it.



(here some others are discussing it...)
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07 Dec 2012 08:38 #18346 by Neguah
On my friends 60D I have 1920-1080 – 25, 1920-1080 24, 1280-720 50, and some other lower resolution.
Both 1080 and 720 gives me exactly 85mb and 15 seconds. I thought 720 would give me less space and more seconds?
Can anyone explain?

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07 Dec 2012 20:36 #18391 by TrixTrax9000
You're correct, smaller frame sizes (resolution) gives you more space on your card. It's always a good idea to have several cards, & extra batteries. For video you will want the faster class of cards, 6 & above. I buy class 10 brand new on eBay, very reasonable price for good brand names.

Sooner or later you, when you feel you've got a basic understanding, just get out there & start shooting. You will gain more knowledge & deeper understanding by doing it, than from our words. Plus, you're going to have a lot of fun as you start getting creative. Then bring it back to the Mac & enjoy another creative opportunity inside FCPX.

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07 Dec 2012 22:50 #18400 by Neguah

TrixTrax9000 wrote: You're correct, smaller frame sizes (resolution) gives you more space on your card. It's always a good idea to have several cards, & extra batteries. For video you will want the faster class of cards, 6 & above. I buy class 10 brand new on eBay, very reasonable price for good brand names.

Sooner or later you, when you feel you've got a basic understanding, just get out there & start shooting. You will gain more knowledge & deeper understanding by doing it, than from our words. Plus, you're going to have a lot of fun as you start getting creative. Then bring it back to the Mac & enjoy another creative opportunity inside FCPX.

:)


You say that frame size is resolution. Is that 1920-1080 and 1280-720? Why did 15 seconds give me 85mb, both with 1080 and 720?
Then what is 24p, 25p, 30p etc etc? Isn´t that frames per second?

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07 Dec 2012 23:21 - 07 Dec 2012 23:23 #18402 by TrixTrax9000
Yes the second numbers are frames per second.

The only way I can see 2 separate 15 second clips both resulting in an 85 meg file, even though they were shot at different resolutions, is if they were different frame rates.

Specifically, the smaller framed resolution must have been shot at a higher frame rate to equal the larger frame's file size. There might be another reason that is escaping me, but that's the only one that makes immediate sense...

Either way, try not to get too consumed by all the numbers it could detract from your creativity. Get enough knowledge to feel confident with your equipment, then devote more time to being creative with it. The more you shoot & see the results, the more you will learn the capabilities of your gear. Experiment, imagine, create, then bring it back into the Mac & repeat that 3 step process.
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12 Dec 2012 07:48 #18616 by Neguah

TrixTrax9000 wrote:
Either way, try not to get too consumed by all the numbers it could detract from your creativity. Get enough knowledge to feel confident with your equipment, then devote more time to being creative with it. The more you shoot & see the results, the more you will learn the capabilities of your gear. Experiment, imagine, create, then bring it back into the Mac & repeat that 3 step process.


Having trouble letting my lack of understanding just fade away. Once I discover something new, I really want to understand it. Why it happens, and why something doesn´t work.

But I`ll try to listen to your advice.

Thanks!

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