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iPhone footage out of sync with itself
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I checked the footage in the Finder and it plays in sync. I have no idea what's going on here but it necessitates unsynching all the footage and pushing the audio down in order to synch it back up. This isn't specific to one computer as with FCPX 10.4 it was happening on both an iMac and a MacBook Pro.
I am now working in FCPX 10.5 and have the same issue.
If anyone has any insight into this I'd appreciate it. I can't imagine what would fix it aside from an update as it seems to be a bug.
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I've been shooting 4k on the iPhone for as long as I've been able to (High efficiency for as long as it's been available) and my project properties match the footage, 44hz audio,. Used to use 30p, now I'm using 24p, the issue is the same with all of the footage regardless of frame rate, High Efficiency on or off. I recently started using HDR footage and it's the same as SDR footage. Consistent issue no matter what's imported. I tried changing the frame rate and the issue is the same. Tried changing the audio from 44 to 48 even though 44 matches it, same issue. Nothing affects how out of sync it is, browser or timelineSame 4 frames no matter what, unless I watch it in the Finder.
Thanks for your response, and I appreciate any invite you might have. I've submitted feedback to Apple a couple times now as well.
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flaminghick wrote: So I tried it with a couple clips and I'm getting the same issue. Very strange.
I haven't seen this but I rarely edit iPhone HEVC material. This video discusses the problem (which may not be unique to FCPX) and suggests not using HEVC and for existing material, transcoding to constant-frame-rate using Handbrake:
Some say that using the 3rd-party app Filmic Pro can produce contant (or maybe pseudo-constant) frame rates on an iPhone: www.filmicpro.com/products/filmic-pro/
However there was a bug in Handbrake (apparently now fixed) which implied some issues with Filmic Pro material last year: github.com/HandBrake/HandBrake/issues/1802
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Do you have any outboard video display hardware - hubs, converters, monitors, etc? Any outboard audio, inc'l wired headphones or wireless AirPods? As a test can you disable Bluetooth on the computer and try that. Do not use any external video hardware or headphones (esp. wireless) for this test. I realize that doesn't explain in-sync Quicktime playback, but it's an easy test to do.
What if you transcode the HEVC material within FCPX to optimized media? Does that make any difference? That could avoid HEVC decoding overhead.
If you had another NLE such as the free version of Resolve it would be interesting to see if it happens there.
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Your idea to test another NLE is a great one. I was also thinking I should pull in some footage from a different source to see if there's something about the iPhone footage itself that could be causing it. It doesn't seem like this is a widespread issue at all.
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flaminghick wrote: And I also did a transcode test to optimized media and it there was no change.
Can you shoot a short test clip, verify that it's delayed, then upload it so we can test on various Macs and FCPX versions? I can also test it on Premiere and Resolve.
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Thanks for the suggestion but it's not an issue on my phone. The audio is in sync in the Finder, it's just out of sync in FCP by 3 frames consistently.
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flaminghick wrote: .. it's not an issue on my phone. The audio is in sync in the Finder, it's just out of sync in FCP by 3 frames consistently.
As stated above seven weeks ago, if you could upload a test clip from your iPhone, I'd be happy to examine it on various hardware and NLE versions. You can upload it to here: www.transferbigfiles.com/dropbox/joema
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Checking the sync again in Quicktime I feel less sure that it's in sync outside of FCP. It's hard to tell since I can't go frame by frame. Looking forward to hearing about what you find with it.
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flaminghick wrote: Thanks for the offer. Uploading a clip now.
Checking the sync again in Quicktime I feel less sure that it's in sync outside of FCP. It's hard to tell since I can't go frame by frame...
It's not a FCP problem -- it also happens in Premiere Pro 14.7.0, also happens whether my iPhone 11 Pro records 4k/24 using H264 or HEVC. It also happens on Windows playing the file with VLC. VLC allows slowing down the playback so you can easily see & hear the mis-sync.
I think it is caused by smart phones using variable frame rate recording. Some have suggested transcoding to CFR (Constant Frame Rate) using Handbrake, but I tried that and it didn't help.
I then tried Filmic Pro, which seemed to work somewhat better, although I've seen people say it doesn't really fix the problem as a 3rd-party app cannot force the iPhone to use CFR.
All my testing was at 24 fps, it might behave differently at 30 or 60 fps.
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I tried a clip at 30p and it was still the same. Tried changing timeline settings and nothing affected it. I guess my question now is...has this been happening for years and I only recently noticed or did it start happening at a certain point? 3 frames is easy to miss with "softer" sounds I find.
Thanks again, this is great information and I really appreciate you looking into it.
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In my iPhone settings, I have 4K60 (more closely matches our output for broadcast) and have Auto FPS turned off.
I'll have to experiment with various frame rates and see, but this is really super odd in my long experience of using iPhone video for broadcast.
I'd also love to get a copy of a problematic video and test it myself.
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