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Media Management - Workflow
I've been struggling for some time to get a good workflow when it comes to media management. I'm a GoPro shooter, often with more than 3 angle cameras at once.
I end up with a bunch of SD-cards with the content. Usually it's 5-6 files on each and one problem is that they are labeled similarly (GOPR00XX.mp4). To solve this, I simply put them in different sub folders in a parent event folder.
So it's Event -> Session -> Camera
Would you do it this way?
This means I don't copy the files to the FCP Event folder. Folders will set the keyword collection instead.
Optimized and Proxy are disabled, since it takes too long time and source is in H.264.
Once done, I'll create a project and do my editing. Then export.
The problem comes when I want to duplicate projects.
When selecting:
- Duplicate project and Referenced Events
- Duplicate project + Used Clips
I'll get the "Two or more media files use the same name. Rename the file or files and try again"
Is there anyone else who films with several cameras and have a good workflow around this?
I'm thinking of relabeling the camera files so I get DATE_CAMERA_FILE.mp4 instead. But perhaps there is a better way?
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Yes I think your solution of renaming the .mp4 clips prior to importing will work. You simply cannot have clips with exactly the same name in any Original media folders if you want to manage media from different Events.
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Use either Automator (available in your OSX) or Name Mangler ($19) to batch rename the files.
For reconnect reasons I always try to keep my media in just one folder. I throw the files into Automator and add the production title/number, the scene, maybe even the shooting date, and most importantly the camera name/number and card number before the existing files name. This way I keep the original numbering, just adding data to the file name.
So the file originally was named GOPR00XX.mp4, now it's ProductionSomething_E03_BeachScene_Cam2_Card4_GOPR00XX.mp4
And depending on the amount of footage and angles in the multicam project, I would probably convert the mp4 to a ProRes format before importing, or at the very least let FCP X make proxies. I ALWAYS convert GoPro.
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It's when I drag things straight in to the event is when I have problems.
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Right now I lean towards changing the workflow and add a step with batch name conversion. If anyone has a good workflow for working around this. Please share!
I've found two ways FCPX works with events is:
A. Two footage files with the same name - into the same event:
Footage is stored in same folders.
Name change from FCPX, adds (fcp1), (fcp2), etc..
B. Two footage files with the same name - into different events:
Footage is stored in different folders.
No name change from FCPX.
The conflict reveals itself in projects thought:
Once you want to duplicate your project and copy the relevant/all events. FCPX wants to create a third Event containing the clips. It results in:
Footage is stored in same folders.
No name change from FCPX.
...and this is where the conflict occurs.
So it seems it will be:
1. Batch rename
2. Choose option B.
3. Create project...
4. Duplicate without file conflict.
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I'm renaming all clips with: DATE_PRODUCTION_EVENT_CAMERA_ORGINALFILENAME.XXX
Then I'm in FCPX and start to create events, clip names, key words, camera angles... again. I feel I'm doing redundant work in FINDER and in FCPX.
No one else who perhaps have a better workflow for this?
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But if you have to work with video recorded by such cameras the only thing you can do is to manually change the clip names to avoid duplicate file names during media management. As said before: you can do this yourself clip by clip or you can use Automator or a batch renaming application for this.
At this point you cannot rename original clips from within FCPX. But even if you could do this you still would have to do it the same way you are doing it now: clip by clip or in batch.
So I'm afraid there is no better workflow at this moment. There are strong indications that media management will completely change in the next FCPX update, so there may be better hope for the near future. Still the real underlying problem is with the camera.
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Great to hear the input though. Glad I wasn't missing something completely obvious..
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One suggestion would be renaming your files to: CAM(X)_Date_Time
(X) letter or number of camera.
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When I first opened the new iMovie I became convinced that it contained a lot of signs about the next iteration of FCPX. In the meantime this has been confirmed by some excellent detective work from Alex 4D. So I just launched iMovie X and did a test.
First I created two Events: Test Event 1 and Test Event 2. I also created a new "Test" Project in Test Event 1.
Then I took two mov files I had and gave these files exactly the same name: "Earth 4K". I then imported one of these files in Test Event 1:
Then I imported the other file (with exactly the same name) in Test Event 2:
As you can see the names of the files were not modified in the Original Media folders by iMovie X. Then I put the two clips on the Test Project timeline:
Finally I merged the two Events by dragging Test Event 2 onto Test Event 1 in the Event Browser. In current FCPX this would lead to an error message saying that the operation could not be completed because of the duplicate file names. This is what I got doing exactly the same thing in FCPX:
But in iMovie X it works. When you merge Events with clips that have the same file names iMovie X changes the names of the duplicate files and it successfully puts all the clips into one Original Media folder:
So yes, this issue will probably be solved in the next FCPX update.
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I then dragged Event 2 onto Event 1 in the Event Browser to merge them, which is a standard procedure. When you do this you get a window asking you to name the merged Event:
First I chose to merge everything into "test 1" and I got the error message:
Then I thought I got the error because I did not create a new Event, so I named the merged Event "test 3"instead, but I got the same error message:
Doing exactly the same thing in iMovie merged both Events into one without any problem.
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