When will people stop hating FCPX?

I'll be graduating school in the spring so I decided that I should start watching tutorials for Avid and Premier.

After watching a few tutorials, how is FCPX not destroying these other NLE's? Is it really just because people are still pissed off about how Apple went about releasing it over a year ago?

The FCPX interface is just hands down better than the others, there is no clutter and it really allows you to focus on the cuts you're making. Premier and AVID don't even have anything close to the event browser FCPX has. I love being able to visually look through my thumbnails when I'm looking for a reaction shot, or just any footage in general.

I love the audition feature and the whole layout of the timeline. Everything in FCPX just makes so much more sense and it really lets me focus on the creative process of editing instead of the software.

Is the industry really that butthurt? The only thing that I can think of that would really keep FCPX from really being adopted is how it works with other programs, but that doesn't even seem to be that big of an issue.

My mind is just really blown with how crappy the experience seems on these other NLE's and how FCPX really did nail it in terms of making something that editors could enjoy looking at for 12 hours on end.

Is it really just because Apple made it? It seems that everyone loves to hate Apple products even though they are some of the most intuitive and well designed products out there. Yes Apple does a lot of stuff that is stupid, but clearly they know what they are doing since they have $120 billion dollars in the bank.

I just don't get it. Everyone I talk to just has nothing but shit to say about FCPX, Apple PR really needs to get on that. Or people need to get their heads out of their asses.

Just wait till Apple releases the next MacPro. I have a feeling it's going to be a monster. Apple know's it's pissed off it's pro crowd and I'm pretty sure they will be trying to make them happy with the new MacPro.

Maybe they simply fear change? FCP X is definitively out of the comfort zone for many. Too radical.

Another problem is that FCP X is too easy to learn. I had students who never cut any video in their lives before getting on task within some ten minutes. With FCP Classic, I had to explain stuff for hours before I could let the kids loose. Some snobby editors don't like the idea of working with a simple, intuitive interface - they love pain.

Several reasons. Apple botched the launch badly. The product was released unfinished and FCP 7 was killed at the same time. Editors felt betrayed.

The program is a radical change. Editors who only dip their toes into the FCP X waters are immediately put off as its so foreign. Also initial impressions are that many features have been taken away leading people to believe the program has been "dumbed down". (iMovie Pro)

Economic times are tough and a lot of editor simply don't have the luxury or learning new software when they're madly scratching around to stay employed.

And lastly FCP X is still not ready for large production houses that need a collaborative workflow.
Not being in these environments means no one is being exposed to the program.

For me it's easily the best NLE I've ever used but for the reasons above I don't think we'll start to see major adoption of the program for at least another 2 - 3 years.

The good news for us is that we'll be there to ride that wave when it comes. The haters will be scrambling to catch up. Just like when all the AVID users had to start learning FCP 3.0 or lose work back in the mid 2000's.

I could also see the other two A's update there NLE's to fit more in the direction that FInal Cut Pro X is.
Adobe has already implemented this.

I really don't see the on-going argument about editors not wanting to 'change' or have to learn something new. I still work day to day on FCP6 it does exactly what I need and I have certain workflows in place that I have been using for a number of years. That said ALL my personal projects I work on are in FCPX. I will be honest it has (and continues) to take time and effort to get used to working in a different way but if you enjoy what you do I can't see it being a problem in spending time to learn FCPX. The workflow and speed that you can work in FCPX totally out shines the previous versions so if people are willing to invest a little time learning something new they will definitely reep the benefits in the future.
Thats said I really don't think that it is that much of a different way of working many of the key commands are the same and the principles of editing will always be the same. they only thing that takes a little getting used to is the Timeline and the way the Primary & Secondary storylines work and interact with each other.

Haters hate :evil:

Every update is an improvement. Some of the early problems of losing titles, etc. should never happened, but Apple cleaned up the mess and it is now first rate for most users. The comment that it is easy, probably has some old pros unhappy because they see more interlopers in "their" field, but the real skill is having an eye for what works and that doesn't come from technology. Apple needed to take the ground up approach and they were correct to start over.

When the FCPX dev team gets solid collaborative and shared networked media back, FCP X will be unstoppable. That, as stated before, is the one thing really holding it back right now. And for the larger production facilities, that is a MAJOR "must-have".

Remember, those larger facilities, most of which are NOT broadcast nor film studios, sunk thousands of thousands of dollars on Final Cut Server, XSAN and Final Cut Studio infrastructures. We're talking three XServe or Mac Pro units just to run the fibre network and file server! Check out prices of fibre optic cables some time. It is a lot of hardware and software.

FCP X makes all of that investment null and void WHEN IT STOPS PHYSICALLY RUNNING. Those systems will run on their current hardware for many, many, many years to come, though.

What they're looking at is the future. Enterprise level systems like these have so much money and time invested into them, you always have a lifespan estimated and look forward to what will happen over time to grow it and UPDATE it as needs dictate.

At this moment, FCP X does not fit into anything besides CatDV. And even CatDV can't hold a candle to Final Cut Server, is way more expensive, much more complex, etc.

So unless Apple comes up with a Final Cut Server like solution for FCP X (which is running on the old FCSvr database engine), it won't get mass market in larger facilities.

For the one-man-band operation, or small facilities with just a couple or few people, FCP X is great. For a large collaborative, networked facility, FCP X simply doesn't work. Let us hope the Pro Apps dev team addresses this during 2013. If not, FCP X will be relegated to small facilities forever.

But my hope is that we will see the necessary tools/hooks for collaboration and shared network storage. A few key players like Full Sail are now FCP X shops, which I hope means they know something we don't.

BenB wrote: When the FCPX dev team gets solid collaborative and shared networked media back, FCP X will be unstoppable. That, as stated before, is the one thing really holding it back right now. And for the larger production facilities, that is a MAJOR "must-have".

Remember, those larger facilities, most of which are NOT broadcast nor film studios, sunk thousands of thousands of dollars on Final Cut Server, XSAN and Final Cut Studio infrastructures. We're talking three XServe or Mac Pro units just to run the fibre network and file server! Check out prices of fibre optic cables some time. It is a lot of hardware and software.

FCP X makes all of that investment null and void WHEN IT STOPS PHYSICALLY RUNNING. Those systems will run on their current hardware for many, many, many years to come, though.

What they're looking at is the future. Enterprise level systems like these have so much money and time invested into them, you always have a lifespan estimated and look forward to what will happen over time to grow it and UPDATE it as needs dictate.

At this moment, FCP X does not fit into anything besides CatDV. And even CatDV can't hold a candle to Final Cut Server, is way more expensive, much more complex, etc.

So unless Apple comes up with a Final Cut Server like solution for FCP X (which is running on the old FCSvr database engine), it won't get mass market in larger facilities.

For the one-man-band operation, or small facilities with just a couple or few people, FCP X is great. For a large collaborative, networked facility, FCP X simply doesn't work. Let us hope the Pro Apps dev team addresses this during 2013. If not, FCP X will be relegated to small facilities forever.

But my hope is that we will see the necessary tools/hooks for collaboration and shared network storage. A few key players like Full Sail are now FCP X shops, which I hope means they know something we don't.

+1

I also think that it won't happen overnight, but the more people use it. The more new people and freelancers start using it, the more facilities will slowly switch over too.

I don't think any of us should be too cocky in our proclamations about the future of FCPX right now. It's great software, but it is very young software, with lots of ways for it to improve.

There are existing features that still need work (audio, sequence visual layout, rock solid and redundant backups just to name a few), and as mentioned above, lots of features that it doesn't have that make it untenable for certain workflows.

It is definitely encouraging that each feature that returns to the software is more powerful and useful than it's legacy counterpart, but until ALL those holes are filled it doesn't matter how good what's there is.

The lack of FCPX being able to work on servers and servers that post houses dumped thousands of dollars on really is unacceptable. But that HAS to be something Apple is working on because Apple is all about sharing, I just think it's something they are really spending a lot of time on and when it's ready (hopefully with 10.1) then things will change.

It really bums me out how badly they fucked this up, where was Steve Jobs on this? I think the other big problem with this is how secretive Apple is about everything, but c'mon, it's an editing program, samsung and google aren't gonna steal any ideas from them and beat them to the punch.

Just let everyone know what the 10 year plan for FCPX is and everyone will be able to make a better decision on what to do. This isn't their bread and butter, adobe and avid won't really do much with that information and even if they did steal everything does anyone really think it's going to take any money out of the bank? This isn't an iPhone or their television set, it's an editing program that is dirt cheap compared to anything else and it's much better, but people hate it, so who cares if anyone knows what their future plans are?

I just want FCPX to get some respect so I don't have to argue with every single person I know when I tell them I use FCPX.

I always win the argument because my point is that you can do the job with tape and razorblades like stanley kubrick and alfred hitchcock.

I've stopped arguing about FCP X. If someone doesn't like it, good for them, they are not my child, I'm not responsible for them. Life is too short, I'm having too much fun with FCP X, I've not the time for someone elses trivial drool.

I just want FCPX to get some respect so I don't have to argue with every single person I know when I tell them I use FCPX.

Why would you? Ignorance is best ignored.

Because of all the things to argue about, guns, war, politics etc... Technology is not really that important in the grand scheme of things, it's fun to debate these things, I'm also still in school so I don't have an established history where I can speak from as much experience.

I'm not a crazy troll about it, but I do like to try and convince my classmates that FCPX is a great program.

Julian wrote: It really bums me out how badly they fucked this up, where was Steve Jobs on this?

Don't forget this could have something to do with it.
Tim Cook is more enterprise friendly when Steve Jobs was.
The main issue is, as it was before... it is the new kid on the block, Apple has no real road map. But they have announced features! (hint the comment above) Maybe this would be change.
The sharing media I wont buy, if you want it you have to figure it out. Yeah maybe it does not come in the box but that should stop you form sharing your media over a network.
We created are own workflow for this and besides EditShare announced and shown Support for Final Cut Pro X at the 2012 NAB.

As Ben mentioned I care less about someone that looks down on a tool, one never used or two just don't care about and own.
Besides when choosing a NLE you also choose a workflow. When you are stuck in a workflow you think that way. It still doesn't give it a reason to hate. But people usally hate on things that can't or don't have.

Julian wrote: Because of all the things to argue about, guns, war, politics etc...

That is the problem with todays Internet culture they talk about things they don't know about! :whistle:

Julian wrote:
I'm not a crazy troll about it, but I do like to try and convince my classmates that FCPX is a great program.

Convince them by working with them with it.

Julian wrote: … Everyone I talk to just has nothing but shit to say about FCPX, …

You're in the wrong peer group, young padawan!

50y ago, it was of lil' interest, wether a cutter used Moviola or Steenbeck. Not the tools, but the artistic skills and results count.

now, we have two old and one new 'industry':
News - super-fast delivery, live edit, server based
Houses - complex facilities
… I simply say, these are not FCPX main targets

New is the one-man-slaughterhouse, single persons. not only writing books on their kitchen-table, but producing whole movies there! I'm always breathless noticing 'hobby projects', garage productions - 2012 we have tools allowing us to produce movies - technically - better than just 30y ago - but on a less-than-shoestring budget.

So, the MAGIC, the SECRET INGREDIENCES of the silverbacks are gone&public.

To proof your part of the Inner Circle isn't anymore measured in 'you are doing movies'; but in 'doing movies with tit&tat'.

Meanwhile, there're tons of trash on YT or Vimeo, using the super-latest stuff - but no good movies.

Concentrate on that. doing movies.

keep in mind:
some of the best movies of all time are done with scissors, and glue, and no extra light, and hand-winded cams .........

:lol:

Karsten Schlüter wrote:

Julian wrote: … Everyone I talk to just has nothing but shit to say about FCPX, …

keep in mind:
some of the best movies of all time are done with scissors, and glue, and no extra light, and hand-winded cams .........

:lol:

That's been my main closing argument on the subject. Everything we have now gives the editor more creative freedom. That's what it's all about and that's why I love FCPX, it makes editing about the cutting, not the software. I can't shut up about how much I love the audition process and how much it encourages me to try new ideas.

Julian wrote: I just want FCPX to get some respect so I don't have to argue with every single person I know when I tell them I use FCPX.

Don't argue... tell good stories. The idiot tech heads will assume that the good storytelling came from your tools. That's when you can tell them you used FCPX. It will shut them up, at least until they find that even when using FCPX they still cant make a good story. Then they'll blame FCPX, again. :lol:

This is a common trend that has been introduced when individuals where introduced in this industry that are not really heavy on the creative background side. Usually heavy IT guys with a interest in the creative style. Not saying this is bad. But these individuals usually peak and choose there favorite. Where the others just use the tool for the job.

On these topic the same goes for the people that hate on Avid or Premiere! You are just attracted to the negative feedback of the environment (application) you choose.

As I have read here some user would talk negative about a non Apple product as for example After Effects or even Photoshop which is the Godfather of today industry in photo manipulation software.
But I just don't take these people to seriously it shows there lack of understanding.

I still find Premiere great not better or worse as Final Cut Pro X but has its ups and downs understanding there is the key.

Couldn't agree moreFCPGuy

I use both versions of FCP(X) but find it necessary that I have to use both PS & AE . All these tools were designed for people to get a job done so if you can do it with whatever is at your disposal then that can only be a good thing!